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Yes you are right.What I said is only true when the difference is same. Thats why I used 'around' Real rise- around 20 K
Still we can guess the real price from market price. It will be around 10% less than market price( depends on the mentality of thief) I didn't mean that my method is 100% correct. It can be used to guess the price.Also while aiming for getting TGI, it is better to consider the max increase so that we can prepare for the worst.
By the way, we are going off topic. This post is about whether we should bring back the only TG system of 2 TGI with price restrictions or not. |
Well, I'm going to still vote no because I believe that TGI system of 2 TGIs basically killed the TGI market. And when factoring in inflation*, the current TGI prices are actually quite a bit lower than when I started TG. So I say the admins did move.
*Estimates based upon hunting arts and elements. |
| People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People Enrolling more = more money = developed economy = Better server! :D |
| People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People Buying TGI for diamonds = Better to admins! :D |
| People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People Enrolling more+People doing more MG and sell their elements = more money = developed economy = Better server! :D |
People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People Enrolling more = more money = developed economy = Better server! :D
That's one way to see it, in an optimistic view.
Here's a pessmistic view:
People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People get discouraged = feel that this game isn't worth it = quit game = less players = (in an attempt to make things better) less lagg!
I still vote a -1, because I already got my TGI anyway, and that I doubt admins will reverse their decision anyway. |
People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People get discouraged = feel that this game isn't worth it = quit game = less players = (in an attempt to make things better) less lagg!
You have said what I wanted to post.Thanks. Also I would like to add few things more-
People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high=discouragement= less people play+ some enroll very much and use very less art = lower balance in production facilities and lesser hunts = worse economy.
People Wanting TGI but TGI prices high = People Buying TGI for diamonds = Better to admins I agree with this.
But lesser players = lesser fun for diamond users
More TGI = more thieves + encouragement = more hunts + more new players + more MG quests = burning more arts = better economy
I already got my TGI anyway, and that I doubt admins will reverse their decision anyway.
Kindly don't think like that.Just bcause you got TGI, you should ignore others who didn't get TGI.This idea also affects you.If this is implemented, you will get 2 TGIs.
Also I put it here not to know whether Admins would implement it or not.I just wanted all of your opinion. So everyone kindly vote depending on your opinion about this idea-
'2 thief invitations given at lvl 2 and at lvl4 or 5.
Setting Min and ,Max price if needed, for TGI depending on when this idea is implemented or any other system to control TGI price getting too much lower
Thieves at lvl5 who got only 1 TGI will get one more when this is implemented and thieves who are at lvl 2-lvl3 will get one when implemented and one more at lvl 4 '
This is good for both thieves and new players and also for the game as it would encourage more new players. |
Let me review my post in page 2:
I vote a -1. While I would love this, to get a TGI, I need to consider people who HAVE already bought a TGI. What will they think when the TGI they bought for 800k gold can now be sold for only 300k gold. What about their 500k gold?
Your idea also proposed that 2 or 1 TGI(s) be given to players who did not get 1. Now, assume that prices return to normal, 300k. Now, they bought their TGI for 800k, or since all of you will argue that TGIs were not sold at that price, 750k.
Since you get 2 TGIs, 2(300k) = 600k
600k>750k = loss of 150k!
What about players who hoard TGIs before the update, and sold them after? They gained about 500k!
What about the original problem that existed during that time - TGI renting! Players would be scammed, not returned gold (or TGI), or Thief arts. How do you propose fixing that problem?
Untill the above have plausible solutions, a -1 from me. |
Your idea also proposed that 2 or 1 TGI(s) be given to players who did not get 1. Now, assume that prices return to normal, 300k.
When this idea is implemented, there would be a sudden fall in TGI prices.I agree with that. Thats why I have mentioned placing a min price for TGI by admins and considering selling below that price as illegal.This min price can ne decided according to the time when they implement it such that players who bought TGI just before this update will not face loss in selling their TGI like min price = 5L if implemented now. Of course they would get less profit from it compared to others but they wouldn't face loss.Also there would be a lot of TGIs in market and every body would think that this update is bad. But after some months , everything would smoothen and there would be a balance in price and it will be profitable for both thieves and new ones. If necessary, there can be an update that thieves who are already in lvl5 and have sold their TGI[don't have one] wouldn't get another one as they have already got the profit. Even if they buy one before update to get one more , they would get 1 more.But it is a bad idea since prices would be high before the update and lower after the update.
What about players who hoard TGIs before the update, and sold them after? They gained about 500k!
What about the original problem that existed during that time - TGI renting! Players would be scammed, not returned gold (or TGI), or Thief arts. How do you propose fixing that problem?
I didn't under stand your question properly. Did you meant that scammers will make huge profit by buying all TGI and selling them after update?
About TGI renting, it wouldn't be possible because of min price for TGI. Any player can transfer TGI to another player only if he pays at least the min price.So no need to worrying about loss of TGI due to TGI renting. |
for vishnus:
What about players who hoard TGIs before the update, and sold them after? They gained about 500k!
He was referring to players who bought TGIs at 300k before the update and then sold their TGIs for 800k after the update. No scamming here.
What about the original problem that existed during that time - TGI renting! Players would be scammed, not returned gold (or TGI), or Thief arts. How do you propose fixing that problem?
He's referring to the many players who lost their TGIs as a result of a scam or a player being unable/unwilling to return TGIs.
Direct Scams
Some players were scammed because the other party had the other side send gold first to buy a TGI or sent TGI for 1 gold first. Also since the game doesn't have any payment methods such as paying with arts/elements or in installments, it was possible some were scammed.
TGI leasing
Some renters were unable to reach TG2. Others reached TG2, but just didn't return the TGI. |
Thanks pantheon.
So setting min price for TGI is good since it disables TGI renting. |
So setting min price for TGI is good since it disables TGI renting.
I'm sure many would disagree with that.
Min price issues:
1.) Players wouldn't be able to buy TGIs with non-gold payments.
2.) No payment installments.
No TGI renting:
1.) Less TGIs being created (if the old TG rules applied). (your standpoint is that more TGIs = good)
2.) Less thief arts.
3.) No "interest". TGI leasing was considered the only form of gaining "interest" in this game.
4.) Less thieves.
I know that some of these results are considered as good by some people; but many would disagree with your view because of those results. |
1.) Players wouldn't be able to buy TGIs with non-gold payments.
2.) No payment installments
I think these are very minor problems. There are a very few means of non-gold payments like elements(no enchanted arts as most people prefer elements and low lvl enchanted weapons are useless for higher lvl thieves) But you can't pay the entire cost through elements. It is better to enroll than to do MG quests so much. If the player is planning to give 1L or 2L as elements and the other player has that much money, then he can sell the elements to the thief and then buy the TGI. I don't know any other mode of non-gold payment.
I think payment installments is a bad idea.If the player give 1L each month as installment, he will get banned.If he is planning to pay all installments within 1 month, what is the use of having TGI so early when you can't ambush as it is expensive and has a loan.
1.) Less TGIs being created (if the old TG rules applied). (your standpoint is that more TGIs = good)
2.) Less thief arts.
3.) No "interest". TGI leasing was considered the only form of gaining "interest" in this game.
4.) Less thieves.
I think these are in the reverse in reality. Achieving lvl2 in 1 month is very hard and is expensive.So better save up the money(price wouldn't rise) and sell it.No risk and can use min art. Earning 5L or 6 takes much longer time but it will be like a chain and there wouldn't be any reduction in number of thieves. There is no need to gain interest. You will get a lot of money very fast by selling 2 TGIs. Leasing would take a lot more time to earn that much money.Also as time passes leasing would become less and less profitable as the number of thieves increase.Also if some are unable to achieve lvl2, both his account and the thieve's account will get banned.End of game for them and loss of TGI.You yourself had mentioned it earlier.Both leasing and selling produce same number of thieves bit leasing is faster but riskier.So it is TGI renting which results in less thieves and so less thief arts. Earlier it was you who complained that these updates would make TG system easier.Now you want it to be easier?
I know that some of these results are considered as good by some people; but many would disagree with your view because of those results.
But it is better than the system now right?Now there is no TG renting and high prices.That means a lot of players will support 2 TGI system ,that is a
+vote to this idea right?
I think only some non thieves and very very few thieves would want TGI renting. Most players don't even want to give/take loans. Then will thieves risk giving TGI to someone they don't know even though they will get interest? They would have to lease TGI a hundred times to get the profit of selling it bcause of the 30% transfer rules . |
Earning 5L or 6 takes much longer time but it will be like a chain and there wouldn't be any reduction in number of thieves.
I'm saying there would be less thieves if leasing is prohibited regardless what prices TGIs are set or whatever changes you suggest.
Now you want it to be easier?
My previous 2 posts never stated my opinion. I only stated facts and reasons that other players would give in response to your posts.
That means a lot of players will support 2 TGI system
The TG changes were unpopular. I and many other players wanted the admins to actually list their reasons for the change. (This doesn't mean I completely disagreed with the admins).
I think only some non thieves and very very few thieves would want TGI renting. Most players don't even want to give/take loans. Then will thieves risk giving TGI to someone they don't know even though they will get interest? They would have to lease TGI a hundred times to get the profit of selling it bcause of the 30% transfer rules .
See above; one of the main reasons why the TG changes were unpopular was because TGI renting became illegal / not possible. Since you were obviously not playing this game before the changes, then just trust me when I say that TGI leasing was a very profitable (though risky) business. So much that clans were created for the express purpose of regulating the TGI leasing trade. Though I guess if the TG changes never came about, then you may be right. By the time TG changes got implemented rental revenue dropped by 75% because TGI prices came down, heavy leasing competition, lack of new renters (everyone became thieves), shared clan TGIs being leased out, and other factors. Oh, and also achieving TG2 took the average player 1-2 weeks (not 1 month). There were a few players boasting about their new record 24-72 hour TG2 accomplishments. |
Since you were obviously not playing this game before the changes, then just trust me when I say that TGI leasing was a very profitable (though risky) business
Yup.I came here on march. I said those points as theories not from experience. But I was a bit right-
By the time TG changes got implemented rental revenue dropped by 75% because TGI prices came down, heavy leasing competition, lack of new renters (everyone became thieves), shared clan TGIs being leased out, and other factors.
Renting becomes less profitable as time passes. Thats why I was against renting.
Earning 5L or 6 takes much longer time but it will be like a chain and there wouldn't be any reduction in number of thieves.
If every one becomes thieves very fast also it is a problem.I didn't want it to be that easy but also not that tough.
My previous 2 posts never stated my opinion. I only stated facts and reasons that other players would give in response to your posts.
Sorry.I thought both were your opinion. |
-1 (no I don't have a TGI at the moment... saving up)
If it's really done, to avoid a huge increase in available TGI from in a moment:
- missing TGI can be gained at next TG level (max 1 per level)
- upon reaching TG9 all missing TG should be given at once (usually just 1 but...)
- player that are already TG9 should receive missing TGI at once.
Not so fair for those that get caught by the change just after complete a new thief level, but it may avoid that 10 available TGI become 100. |
If it's really done, to avoid a huge increase in available TGI from in a moment:
- missing TGI can be gained at next TG level (max 1 per level)
- upon reaching TG9 all missing TG should be given at once (usually just 1 but...)
- player that are already TG9 should receive missing TGI at once.
Sorry a player will get max 2 TGIs.One at lvl2 and other at lvl 4 or 5. |
I have come up with another idea(some what wierd).
Idea 2-
Empire will set a max price for TGI and each player will get only 1 TGI at lvl5. The max price will be the highest price at which TGI was sold within 1 month(I think admins can easily find it since they can find TGI scammers ). Also all thieves who achieve lvl3 will get 20% of the max price of TGI as gold so that they wouldn't face loss while selling TGI at the price they bought.
All players at lvl5 and above will not get the 20% gold when implemented.
Idea 2.1-
Since empire will lose gold and since it wouldn't reduce the TGI shortage, for evey player the empire gives 20% gold, empire would get 20% TGI that is when empire pays 5 thieves, empire would get 1 TGI which empire can sell at max price like they sell estates and get back the lost money. Empire will get the transaction price it pays :) and from every 5 thieves, 6 players can become thieves.
Advantage from first idea-
There wouldn't be any flood of TGIs while controlling the TGI prices.
Admins wouldn't have to take back their change.
Kindly post your opinion or any change needed about these ideas that is idea 1(first one) , idea 2 and idea 2+ 2.1 seperately . |
| I am becoming mad can u tell how to get a thief invation. |
I am becoming mad can u tell how to get a thief invation.
collect 1 million game coins^^ |
