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@20 Those selfish so and so. Who would think that if you do work, you'd want to get money for it?
Thieving is an optional extra to the game. Pay diamonds or put in A LOT of effort and you can do it. Don't do that, you can still do most of the game.
For the sarcasm challenged. That top part is sarcasm. | | if you cant join em, beat em, go thief hunting, trust me its fun | the admins took it out why would they put it back in?
they must have thought about this before hand and this must be what they wanted so there is no reason to complain | You see, you can mould an iron only when you hit it when it is hot.
What I mean is, it's out bad luck that we joined the game a bit (too much) late with compare to other high level players. So I think they should get what they deserve and that's less rules and low cost in the past.
So -1 (Even tho Even I need a TGI! XD) | | -1 | | +10 I aggre with this | this is beyond my mind to comprehend that what is the fault of people who started the game late. y r they facing this?
sheer cheating
+10 | | Cheating? What are you on about. The admins make the rules. They can change the rules whenever they want. By definition the game creator can't cheat. They made an economic decision. That decision I can see why it exists. | this is beyond my mind to comprehend that what is the fault of people who started the game late.
This is a process occurring on each and every online game. As people exploit loopholes and get fast track to power, admins close doors and change rules. As a result, late players have the impression they face harder odds than older ones. And this is totally true - but it's just the way things happen everywhere. I know no example of a game "perfect" from start.
Examples of "tightening" here: TGI, workaholic penalty, FSP gain linked to victory or defeat in battle, AP rule, more Elements for Enchantments, no more halves in hunt... People joining this game early had it MUCH easier than old timers. | People joining this game early had it MUCH easier than old timers.
right .. but then ... so what?
When I joined I have red the rules and I accepted them ... knowing that in the past it was different is unrelevant ... Then, some changes happened while playing ... again, this affects everybody, so again, so what?
The game is now more difficult to play? so? What would be the enjoyment in a game that is too easy? Why cannot have lev 14 with 100k XP? Because in 6 months I would see no reason to play, I have nothing to achieve, etc. etc.
Maybe, the problem here (and especially in many other posts I have red) is the "I wanna have everything soon, fast, easy and cheap" attitude ... something that is linked to this age ... and that probably is also the cause of the many wars and economical crisis around the world ...
Talking back on the TG: to reach level5 you would need to spend a fortune in equipment ... so, that 5% in initiative is very very hard gained ... and it's not that much ... the same you can get with a ring of abdication at much much less money (and the loss in defence is marginal)... so ... do not overestimate the TG advantage ... even the thief equipment is not that wonderful (not all at least) ...
to end: enjoy the game!!!! | for OndaNera:
True, but what if someone who had joined TG, reaches level 3 (don't need 5) in TG, has ring of abdication equipped, battles with another player who haven't, and who also has ring of abdication equipped. Obviously the person who has joined TG has the advantage.
And note that TG is a one-time investment: you pay xxx gold for yy battles, and you get the initiative forever. Meanwhile, arts run out of durability; therefore it is a constant investment, you need to keep on paying.
I vote a -1. While I would love this, to get a TGI, I need to consider people who HAVE already bought a TGI. What will they think when the TGI they bought for 800k gold can now be sold for only 300k gold. What about their 500k gold? | And note that TG is a one-time investment: you pay xxx gold for yy battles, and you get the initiative forever. Meanwhile, arts run out of durability; therefore it is a constant investment, you need to keep on paying.
With the current price of TGI (800.000 gold), you can play almost 6000 battles with a Ring of abdication equipped everytime. | for DarkSooth:
First, a TGI is FREE. You only need 800K at a point to purchase one. But after enough time - and there is no reason that it could not happen - you'll eventually earn another one that you can sell. So it's "locking" some gold, but not forever.
Second, of course you can achieve the same effect than levels in Thieves' Guild with an artifact. Same goes for Tavern Drink with a mere Amulet of Luck. But the point here is to have this little extra edge when you already wear a full artifact set. If you already wear two Signet-Rings of Might, where are you going to put that Ring of Abdication? | First, a TGI is FREE. You only need 800K at a point to purchase one. But after enough time - and there is no reason that it could not happen - you'll eventually earn another one that you can sell. So it's "locking" some gold, but not forever.
Thieving is an optional extra to the game. Pay diamonds or put in A LOT of effort and you can do it. Don't do that, you can still do most of the game.
How can these two happen at the same time? If you want to get the gold spend for TGI back there should be players (non Diamond) to buy it at higher price.That means it is very important for some one to buy TGI.
If everyone considers thieving as not necessary, to whoom will the thieves sell their TGI? Its like either the buyer or seller should suffer loss.
I need to consider people who HAVE already bought a TGI. What will they think when the TGI they bought for 800k gold can now be sold for only 300k gold. What about their 500k gold?
Thats why I said if this idea is implemented, thieves with TGI can sell it the price that exist in the market.They don't need to reduce its price.
This is a process occurring on each and every online game. As people exploit loopholes and get fast track to power, admins close doors and change rules. As a result, late players have the impression they face harder odds than older ones. And this is totally true - but it's just the way things happen everywhere. I know no example of a game "perfect" from start.
That is true.But many online games have a solution to this.Many online games are not ever lasting. They also restart their servers or start new ones.Then the new players can start playing in the new servers in the beginning and they also get a fair chance.
Maybe, the problem here (and especially in many other posts I have red) is the "I wanna have everything soon, fast, easy and cheap" attitude ... something that is linked to this age ... and that probably is also the cause of the many wars and economical crisis around the world ...
I don't wanna do everything fast and finish off everything.I want to play it for a long time without affecting my real life.Thats why I like to play this game.The problem here is that as time passes on new players are having harder and harder time.No online game will last long if they discourage new players. Since this is a continuous game, adims should think about sustainability.With the current system, the price of TGI will keep on rising until thieves start facing losses in selling their TGI at low prices. This is just like development by destroying nature and sustainable dvpt. Non sustainable developments are the reason for economic crysis and problems. Not sustainable dvpt. | @vishnus. The posts you quoted are by two different people. Also, I never said everyone thinks thieving is an optional extra. Many people want to be thieves. Just check the market to see that (and read the rest of the line which explains how people can choose to take up the optional extra).
Also, you compete against people of your level. They have the same conditions you do, so it's not a problem if a level 14 person who started before you has it easier. You'll never meet him. | new tgi rules are harsh and anti-playerbase and thus lame failure rules
however to revert now would be harsh on ppl who paid tons for their tgi under new rules
and what if you were tg4 and they reverted? you'd get none at all ;d | | I want to have TGI as soon as I have reached lvl 6... I have played this game since 15th January 2010 and you can see I have above 500k gold (just enrolling and a little luck in the roulette)... So do you really think it is so hard to buy TGI only with gold, guys? No it isn't - you must be only very patient... It is really possible to buy it within 6 months (if you have already LG 4 and above and starting from zero, it is possible to get it within 5 months I think)... | I want to have TGI as soon as I have reached lvl 6... I have played this game since 15th January 2010 and you can see I have above 500k gold (just enrolling and a little luck in the roulette)... So do you really think it is so hard to buy TGI only with gold, guys? No it isn't - you must be only very patient... It is really possible to buy it within 6 months (if you have already LG 4 and above and starting from zero, it is possible to get it within 5 months I think)...
Yup.I agree with you. The prices now are ok.But consider a new player who joined now. He would have to spend 7 months enrolling to get 8L. By that time it would cross 1.2 million easily.He would have to spend another 3-4 months to catch up with the TGI price. Soon new players will have to spend over a year for TGI(during which they can't us e good arts or break records bcause it would increase the period).Its like saying " The temperature now is tolerable.So why should we worry about Global warming?"
new tgi rules are harsh and anti-playerbase and thus lame failure rules
however to revert now would be harsh on ppl who paid tons for their tgi under new rules
and what if you were tg4 and they reverted? you'd get none at all ;d
If I were TG4 and this idea is implemented, then I would get a TGI then and 1 more when I reach TG5 . Also old thieves wouldn't face loses as they will get 1 more TGI. The only thing new players would have to spend less time dedicating for TGI. Also I would like to ask you the same question " Why should new players suffer just bcause they started this game late? "
If this idea is implemented , some players MAY face a little loss. But it would stop there.There will be a balance in the price of TGI. But if this is not implemented, many players WILL suffer and many more will continue to suffer.
Also, you compete against people of your level. They have the same conditions you do, so it's not a problem if a level 14 person who started before you has it easier. You'll never meet him.
Yes we wouldn't have to compete with them. It is a + point for me.But we would be competing with their records, right? Also you can't say TG is not necessary. Then a lot of thieves will suffer. They wouldn't be able to sell their TGI to even get back the money they spent for TGI earlier( That means a loss of even 1 million) . I have already mentioned it.
Also I don't want only this idea to be implemented. I just want to bring a balance in TGI prices so that they wouldn't keep on rising.I have only come up with this solution. If anyone knows any other solution, I have no problem in accepting it. | I just want to bring a balance in TGI prices so that they wouldn't keep on rising.
A lot of players have brought up the issue of balance, but the problem is that it'll never happen. The prices are supply and demand. Newer players seem to believe that there were stable prices before the TGI change in Nov 2009, but it wasn't. TGI prices were stable around 600k before they slowly dropped down to 300k as more and more players reached TG4. If it wasn't for scammers, cheaters, admins blocking, leasing, and players unable to reach TG2, then prices would have dropped much faster and maybe lower than 200k.
I see the Nov 2009 TGI changes as trying to make TG more balanced and not imbalanced like many players seem to think.
By that time it would cross 1.2 million easily.He would have to spend another 3-4 months to catch up with the TGI price. Soon new players will have to spend over a year for TGI
I'm not disagreeing that TGI prices are high, but at what price would you propose that TGI prices should be at? 200k, 300k, 500k, 600k, 800k, 2mil, 20 mil?
They wouldn't be able to sell their TGI to even get back the money they spent for TGI earlier
Actually the rising TGI prices can only benefit the newer players especially if you believe that prices will keep on going up. The most old players already sold or lost their TGIs. The new players would be able to benefit from the rise in prices when they sell theirs.
Also TGI prices rising to new heights is a GOOD sign for the server. Supply did not change (except for a few cheaters who get blocked while holding TGIs). This means Demand has increased by that much. And who demands TGIs? All the new players, which means the server is growing (I ignore the # of players online because that is only a temporary current count and doesn't exclude multis). | Also I would like to ask you the same question " Why should new players suffer just bcause they started this game late? "
i don't believe they should - i made it clear i dislike the change - the only purpose was to increase the incentive for paying 80 euro's for a tgi -- so it was a very negative move on the part of the admins
there's no way they will revert it
for the record i am one of the new players who suffered for joining late -- when i started tgi was 330k - when i could afford one they were over 700k
but whatever, it's done now so i don't care so much
and i want my money back at tg5
ok tnx |
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