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First of all rules are rules and (as many stated above) admins had a very good reason for changing rules according TGI.
I agree also that if someone wants a TGI she/he can still afford it, even if it's much more costly today than before.
With online games it's always so that who started earlier had much more opportunities, accept it please.
BUT:
Don't tell that TGI is not a luxory thing now!
1st: 800k or any is hard to cummulate (especially for a lvl6)
2nd: Thiefing has huge costs since it's adviced to do it full arts or one will have much less chance to win an ambush
3rd: Reaching lvl 5 takes many many time
So i don't think it's just an investment which will return any profit!
Finally: Anyway there is no need to complain about it, TGI rules will not change! |
2nd: Thiefing has huge costs since it's adviced to do it full arts or one will have much less chance to win an ambush
in the long run min arts is just as good as full arts, the only reason it was advised to do it in full arts earlier was that players renting a TGI needed to get to TG 2 fast.
if you do it in min arts, enroll each hour, and sell your thief arts when you get them, you can easily make a profit out of it... |
The admins toook that ouit for a reason dude.
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Newer players seem to believe that there were stable prices before the TGI change in Nov 2009, but it wasn't. TGI prices were stable around 600k before they slowly dropped down to 300k as more and more players reached TG4.
I didn't think thieves would reduce the price of TGI. I thought they would keep price as such so that they can get back the money spent on arts. That is a good point.
1.Also TGI prices rising to new heights is a GOOD sign for the server. Supply did not change (except for a few cheaters who get blocked while holding TGIs). This means Demand has increased by that much. And who demands TGIs? All the new players, which means the server is growing
2.Actually the rising TGI prices can only benefit the newer players especially if you believe that prices will keep on going up. The most old players already sold or lost their TGIs. The new players would be able to benefit from the rise in prices when they sell theirs.
However I don't agree with these two. As you said the prices might have reached 3L. Now it is 8L which means a lot of demand. However I don't think this rise in new players is bcause of new TGI rules. I rather this it is because of the low TGI prices before Nov 2009. Those who bought TGI btween Nov 2009 and now must have started before nov or dec 2009. They might have been encouraged by the low TGI pricesand they might have encouraged their friends to play in this game bcause of it. The effects of updates can be felt only after some months. So the effect of the new update on TGI prices might have only just started. We can see its effect in a couple of months.
Also I don't think rise in TGI prices is good for thieves. If the price is too high, most new players wouldn't buy it. Then prices will fall and it will be a loss for new thieves who bought at high prices.Low TGI prices are an encouragement to new players.Also more thieves means more burning of artis which is good for economy.
I'm not disagreeing that TGI prices are high, but at what price would you propose that TGI prices should be at? 200k, 300k, 500k, 600k, 800k, 2mil, 20 mil?
I think 6L or 5L is a good price if implemented now and it can be increased if implemented later such that the players who bought just before this law wouldn't face loss. Also admins can make it a rule that TGIs should be sold at only 6 or 5L( can be changed according to the prices in market before implementing) if they bring the old system back. Although this sounds crazy, I haven't come up with any other idea. I don't think admins should have removed the 2 TGI per thief when prices started falling instead they should have implemented some rule to prevent price of TGI from falling or rising from a fixed price so that it would encourage diamond players also. |
Also I don't think rise in TGI prices is good for thieves. If the price is too high, most new players wouldn't buy it. Then prices will fall and it will be a loss for new thieves who bought at high prices.Low TGI prices are an encouragement to new players.Also more thieves means more burning of artis which is good for economy.
so now you're saying that the raising prices will eventually cause the prices to drop? Earlier in this topic you claimed that the problem was that the prices would keep rising, do you even know what your trying to say yourself anymore?
the prices are controlled by supply/demand, your false theory suggests that only the supply matters, while the demand doesn't have any effect on the price, which is just stupid. |
| I bought a TGI when it was still cheap (well 344k i think) cause i thought the price will rise. But as mentioned a few times, getting a TGI is like locking your gold. IMO it takes a VERY long time to get to TG5 so many people's gold is still locked. I think as time passes, maybe the TGI price will drop as more people finish TG5 and sell TGIs(increase in supply?) |
so now you're saying that the raising prices will eventually cause the prices to drop? Earlier in this topic you claimed that the problem was that the prices would keep rising, do you even know what your trying to say yourself anymore
I said the price will keep on rising until a point where nobody would desire to get a TGI and become a thief. Then some thieves would think that some thing is better than nothing and would sell at lower prices and suffer loss.I said price should keep on rising if thieves should get atleast their money back.
the prices are controlled by supply/demand, your false theory suggests that only the supply matters, while the demand doesn't have any effect on the price, which is just stupid.
I considered only supply so that I could find the least price increase of TGI. Higher the rise in TGI,the faster the price reach new heights and worser the situation becomes. Also demand depends on the price. If I consider price rise due to demand, then it will strengthen the need for implementing this or any other idea to control TGI prices.
I think as time passes, maybe the TGI price will drop as more people finish TG5 and sell TGIs(increase in supply?)
Sorroy.But the only way to increase TGIs now is through diamonds.There is no other way. |
I think it is good idea!
+1 |
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To all those who say thieving isnt profitable, i say
Sold item: "Thief amulet" [60/60] for 110999 gold |
Right now, a player who wants to play the game as it is, has no chance to make enough gold to buy a TGI. Even using full AP as seldom as possible, the TGI cost on the market is rising faster then the gold made.
So right now, the situation is like this:
1. Play the game as boring as it can get and save money for a TGI. This mainly means enrolling 9 times then do a minimum AP hunting. And do this over and over again several months.
2. Get diamonds.
Now I don't know how many new players are willing to do number 1...in my opinion not many.
I will give a +1 for the idea, but I don't think it will happen very soon. |
| The GM just ruin the whole wonderful game by changing the TGI. The online player number decreases. Low level players quits. Get the old TGI rule back. You won't earn any money if no one want to play this game. |
To all those who say thieving isnt profitable, i say
Sold item: "Thief amulet" [60/60] for 110999 gold
Belive me - you spend more for arts than you gain. |
| Not if you do min art thieving. |
Not if you do min art thieving.
But for having good number of wins and advantage against other players in ambushing, you will have to use medium art.
By the way TGI price has risen from 8L 20K to 8L 90K. A rise in 70K within 1 week. I can't imagine what price it will be after 5 months :<
I also can't imagine what at what price I will have to sell TGI to get a profit after 1 year(If I can get one in about 6-7 months) and I am not sure whether anyone would want to become a thief at that time. |
But for having good number of wins and advantage against other players in ambushing, you will have to use medium art.
No, in the end your win/lose ratio will end up the same no matter if you use min or max ap. Using min ap only means that you have to lose some more fights in the beginning, something that doesn't matter anymore since you don't have to race to TG 2. |
By the way TGI price has risen from 8L 20K to 8L 90K. A rise in 70K within 1 week. I can't imagine what price it will be after 5 months :<
sorry for the double post, but i forgot this part.
Do you just look at the market prices, or are you looking at the TGI's actually being sold? The last sold TGI i've seen cost 775k, not 890k.. |
| I look at the market price since I can't see who brought TGI recently and at what price. Before I posted #54 there was an offer of 8L 20K. Now it is nowhere to be seen. Also even if TGIs are sold at prices lower than market price, it depends on the lowest price in market. So to see rise in TGI , we can check market. |
So to see rise in TGI , we can check market.
These and other similar statments are why you get so many posts in response. The market prices are just what the sellers are asking for and not what are the actual prices the TGIs are being sold for.
There are currently 4 TGI lots on the market. Let's say no one else puts up any TGIs for 3 days. Then these 4 players post up prices of 2 mil. Since the lowest price is 2 mil, does this mean the real prices are 2 mil? No! Prices are where both the sellers and buyers agree upon. The lowest price on the market is actually higher than what the highest buyer would pay. This is why it's still on the market. |
There are currently 4 TGI lots on the market. Let's say no one else puts up any TGIs for 3 days. Then these 4 players post up prices of 2 mil. Since the lowest price is 2 mil, does this mean the real prices are 2 mil? No! Prices are where both the sellers and buyers agree upon. The lowest price on the market is actually higher than what the highest buyer would pay. This is why it's still on the market
You are correct. What I said is about rise in price. Consider that offer in market is 10L by a player & his friend wants TGI .The lowest price at which he can sell will be around 9L otherwise he may get banned.(I don't know the how the rules apply the price very much) Let the next offer be 10L 20K by player 'B' . Another player wants a TGI asks 'B' to reduce price.Min price he can issue will be 9L 20K or slightly less.
Market price rise- 20K
Real rise- around 20 K
So we can get an idea about rise in TGI prices through market. Also real TGI price will be somewhat near market lowest price.
The lowest price on the market is actually higher than what the highest buyer would pay after the highest buyer brought it.
The price at which he brought TGI would be around the lowest price in market before he brought it. If the lowest price is 9L in market, the next buyer would have to pay more than 8L. So we can consider the market to guess the price of TGI and to know the rise in TGI prices. |
| In the example I picked the amount 2 mil for reason. It is obviously above current market prices and I hope no buyer in their right mind would pay for despite whatever scam a seller is using. Your theory of using market price increases to gauge real price increases is only valid if the difference between market and real prices stays constant the entire time. There is no guarantee it will be. Normally the chances of exceedingly high artificial prices being in the market is very low given sufficient sellers, but for TGIs there are few sellers. This means the asking prices by the sellers can exceed real prices by a small amount or a huge amount. You can see the same market principle for low supply items such as hunting and thief arts and elements. Every once in a while most or all of the lots expire, and then all of a sudden a seller would post an extremely high price with subsequent sellers only slightly undercutting him and each other. |
