| Author | Useless talents |
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Knight: Concentration (66 TP!), Enfeeble (weak)
Necro: Concentration (66 TP), Undead liegeman (54 TP and weak)
Wizard: Seething anger (60 TP, useless for magic wizards)
Elf: Fervor (60TP), Retribution (97 TP!!), Concentration (74 TP!)
Barb: Empathy (60 TP)
DE: Sorcerer's luck (61 TP, useless at level 16 without chaos magic), Seething anger
Demon: Seething anger, Concentration (68 TP), Extensive gating (Too weak for 40 TP) |
| retribution is "only" 87 |
| Agree with #20.DE's basic offense cost should be reduced to 7. Might DE has no talent with cost 7 useful for them(sorcery is useless for them).Or/ and reduce cost of basic Darkness also with more special talents.Atleast they are called DARK elves and they should be better in dark arts than knight..... |
| @19: +5% necromancy allows to raise 5% extra skellies after a fight. Most useless necro talent ever :) |
Also id like to say that Undead Liegeman is (probably...) useless, but im not sure about +5% bonus to Necromancy - what exactly it means?
raise more skeletons. |
@19: +5% necromancy allows to raise 5% extra skellies after a fight. Most useless necro talent ever :)
it will be a little better if it would allow to recruit +5% more skeletons then reserve |
| agreed PenTus |
These ones haven't been mentioned yet:
Elf- Light Affinity. It takes 42 Points (Expert Holy, Dom of Wrath and Arrow Rain). It'd be quite useless even if elves wouldn't need rain of arrows to achieve it (if elf bases to holy magic, why'd he use hero to attack favoured enemies z.z).
DE- Wizard's prize. It requires 40 points to achive and grants you 1 (ONE!) Spellpower. |
| The best they could do is lower cost of talents for all factions.Every faction would be too strong and we would have a final balance :P |
| Actually, different pts for different talent, those that are useless, should cost less :D |
Actually admins could so something like this:
The talent cost is proportional to the talents strenght,not the wheel where the talent belongs.
I mean like this,I am only adding this as an example:
Basic Erudtion : 2 points
Advanced Erudition : 5 points
Expert Erudtion : 9 points |
| We are not trying to favourize one faction or whine about the costs, just trying to find some useless/underpowered talents which nobody uses and are therefore on the wheel without any use. If we pinpoint to them admins will maybe consider and change them so we will have more varied selection in the future... and like Arctic already said, there are some toughts in this direction which I like very much :) Just one more thing: please please don't lock the wheel, meaning you can't change talents once you select them, because in my opinion this would totally ruin the dynamic of the game and cause a lot of people to get bored and leave the game. |
Shouldn't be erudition secondary talents better than primary talents, such as with other talents? (battle fury, mass spells, rally,...)? Appart from intelect, the "+2 to some skills" ones are pretty crappy for 3rd circle talents IMO. Same for sorcery btw, though there are more interesting talents out of the ones of the primary circle.
As for undead liegeman, 5% of 200 skellies from reserve would be a joke...
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4353076
It would be 352 skellies instead of 342... >.< |
worst talen ever: concentration
huge amount of talent points needed and only useful if you actively press defend with your units, thus doing nothing in your turn. Units without unlimeted retaliation can still loose retal to a minor stack and then be hit by big stacks. Units with unlimeted retal can be ignored, since they pressed defend and be killed by ranged units or magic.
Now this is worthless ... |
| Yeah your right,most people prefer it because they think that ALL defending stacks get unlimited retaliation.I tried concentration as a barb,really crap talent indeed! |
| it is a bug and arctic is aware of it. |
please please don't lock the wheel, meaning you can't change talents once you select them, because in my opinion this would totally ruin the dynamic of the game and cause a lot of people to get bored and leave the game.
Most important point of all. |
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| I like the idea about the new talent wheel.But I only hope it wont destroy this game completely :S |
| can i hv some extra talent pts? |
