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Wow Mox, nice writeup. I have a question though.
MoxSapphire wrote in post #38:
At the same time you have the experience of other factions, the damage decreasing in fighting AI
This seems to be in conflict with what Robai wrote in post #16:
- keep in mind that faction levels of other factions DOES NOT give you any bonuses in hunts (for example, if you are Wizard and you hunt Wolfhounds then your Demon faction level gives you absolutely nothing)
What does line from about the game "representatives of this very faction" actually apply to? PVP only or also other battles led by an AI?
Geryon wrote in post #35:
As for me, trying to raise level in all factions requires way too much grinding for my taste. Even if it gains me some small advantage, it's just NOT worth it for me.
I see it serves several purposes. It is an incentive to switch your main factions permanently after you find out current one does not suit your play style well. All your accumulated skill points stay useful. Probably only worth if done early. Moreover it is a reward for trying out other races. If invested points in did nothing for your main army less people would try out switching and in result see less of LordsWM. Finally, players who like to play more than one faction get some bonus too. |
Wow Mox, nice writeup. I have a question though.
MoxSapphire wrote in post #38:
At the same time you have the experience of other factions, the damage decreasing in fighting AI
This seems to be in conflict with what Robai wrote in post #16:
- keep in mind that faction levels of other factions DOES NOT give you any bonuses in hunts (for example, if you are Wizard and you hunt Wolfhounds then your Demon faction level gives you absolutely nothing)
It will decrease the damage in the fight against caravans, also in events (For example in rebel event, you would have damage reduction if you had DE/BB fsp). Not sure for MG requests. |
What does line from about the game "representatives of this very faction" actually apply to? PVP only or also other battles led by an AI?
I think what mox meant by AI is caravan
in hunt, especially high level hunts, few people care about damage reduction =P |
- keep in mind that faction levels of other factions DOES NOT give you any bonuses in hunts (for example, if you are Wizard and you hunt Wolfhounds then your Demon faction level gives you absolutely nothing)
What does line from about the game "representatives of this very faction" actually apply to? PVP only or also other battles led by an AI?
Actually, I believe that Robai was a bit wrong: there is dmg decrease against any army led by heroes, no matter if it is a real player or AI: that works for PvP, as well as thieving, or in some events, as said previously.
You might notice that caravans also have the equivalent of fl (for their faction). |
I credit this successful ambush to 5 levels invested on the Elf faction:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=498059121
Me (faction level 4 Knight) against a faction level 7 pure Elf. My superior arts versus his diamond tier 3 units. I would be toast if I ever catch a Knight in my ambushes but since that's only 1 out of 7 factions, I think the odds are still good. XD |
all players who cross-training are might players
are there any player whos is a mangi ?? |
| 1 faction > multi |
are there any player whos is a mangi ??
of coz ---> Kusika |
My superior arts versus his diamond tier 3 units.
What a twisted way of looking at things. If you can't beat any other faction with these superior arts, you should retire from this game. Give credit where credit is due. |
I my arts were "superior" but they weren't godly. I wasn't wearing rings and armor. We had the same amulet. He had sword of might, I had Mithril longsword.
And I'm a PvP n00b. 15% damage reduction helped a lot. What you lack in tactical brilliance, you compensate for by acquiring as much strategic advantage as you can! XD |
You had 14 points of defense, and you're telling me you weren't wearing any kind of armor? Dude, do you think we're all newbies? When you have 34 points of stats to his 21, yes, your arts were "ungodly" superior.
It's just plain bad sportsmanship to imply that you won a fair fight, when clearly it wasn't (a fair fight). There's no rule about how much arts you can wear to these ambushes, but if you overwhelm your opponent with arts, at least have the courtesy to acknowledge it. |
this is the reason i say fsp level rules...
a knight with full and maximum defensive arts and half of offensive arts ambushed me, still i managed to win with min arts.
i must say that he played really good but made few mistakes, but clearly lost because of low fsp level in knight so less troops.
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=498077794 |
here is a better proof of why fsp is very useful
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=498095890<=-1
the thief has more art than me and knight 10 vs me elf 9, but I have knight 7 so eventually it's a very close game -- if he have not had stun with guards I will even win |
It's just plain bad sportsmanship to imply that you won a fair fight, when clearly it wasn't (a fair fight). There's no rule about how much arts you can wear to these ambushes, but if you overwhelm your opponent with arts, at least have the courtesy to acknowledge it.
Where did I say that it was a "fair" fight? Let's put that ambush within the context of this discussion.
In this thread, there are two opposing schools of thought. There are those who maintain that focusing on one faction is better than spreading points on other factions. Then there are those who believe that the slight weakness on your main faction is a fair trade for the slight defense you gain from levels on other factions. I belong to the latter, you belong to the former. You even went as far as claiming that a pure Elf is unbeatable even with superior arts in ambushes. Your exact words were:
I know from personal experience that specialists are much harder to beat in pvp than generalists, everything else being equal. Back when I was doing a lot of thieving (level 8-10), there was this pure elf who kicked my butts all the time, even when he was wearing less arts than I was. Everyone else I could beat, but not him. His FL was so high that his efks managed to move before my shrews most of the time. I had to go out of my way to avoid ambushing him. I was so glad when he moved off to the next combat level. :)
I had serious doubts about your statement, therefore I posted a link of me beating a pure Elf in ambush. You also said this:
What a twisted way of looking at things. If you can't beat any other faction with these superior arts, you should retire from this game. Give credit where credit is due.
Can we expect you to retire now since you were, by your own words, unable to beat someone even while wearing superior artifacts? XD
You had 14 points of defense, and you're telling me you weren't wearing any kind of armor? Dude, do you think we're all newbies?
By "armor" I meant this:
https://www.lordswm.com/shop.php?cat=cuirass
You could say that I had overwhelming advantage but I really did feel that he could have skinned me alive had I not have 5 levels on the Elf faction. I rely heavily on Crossbowmen and that was his Racial Enemy at the time... |
to Liuker:
i always believe knights vs elf is like cat on the wall... it can go eitherway... because of you loads of luck,critical and initiative vs knights defence and stun...
the faction which triggers special abilities in crucial times will win mate...
i dont think your fsp helped you ther.... |
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It sounds like you made my point for me. Despite what you claim was your big advantage in 5 levels of Elf faction, you had to rely on overwhelming superior arts to win. |
| Well, of course. I have to compensate somehow for his diamond upgraded troops and bonuses from faction levels. He was a faction level 7 Elf. That gives your troops a total of +3 defense and +4% initiative that doesn't show up when you check player stats. As a faction level 4 Knight, I didn't have that. I had +10 defense from artifacts that he didn't have. |
My Question :
Should I too change my faction to 2 more factions? (Knight and Demon)
The Advantage :
Resistance + Fun
The Disadvantages :
No upgrades, (In demon only till Wolfhounds)
Not able to buy the upgrades either (See Gold)
Won't be able to win many fights.
For the answer please PM me instead of posting here , Thank You. |
| my view is that i see people like kusika with fsl 10 in wizard and he needs 3000 fsp to get to lvl 11...and then i see that he has 3000 points in de so i think if he hadnt changed to de he would have had fsl 11...which is fustrating |
you can look at it another way - if he hadn't got 3000 points in De faction, he would now be a one faction player with no other options but to play wiz, since it would be far too expensive to build a castle from scratch at his level and impossible to win any of his fights with no fsp. Not everyone is happy to play the same faction for years.
I have some faction points as wiz, which i got at level 10 - it wasn't easy at that level and now i wish i had thought of changing factions more when i was low level because now i would have far more options. In the end, it's not too expensive to experiment with factions when you are low level, and i think you would be far more inclined to be glad you did it than to regret it.
Another advantage that i think nobody has mentioned is that by playing other factions, you get a better insight into how those factions play and that makes you a better strategist when you face those factions in battle. |
