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Relevent to the topic at hand, and also posting on the behalf of I_SkY_I[My Forum BoW Blocked Char/My Main],
I would like to ask, asking for advice of course,
At level 6, Would it be better to be a Holy Elf, Or a Luck-Based Elf[The most common of Elf builds]?
Thank you for your time.
[Player banned by moderator DragonEater until 2012-07-13 07:09:12 // You are not allowed to post with your additional character(s) in the "main" forums even if your main has a ban. | Holy can be very powerful with mass rapid and bless
But luck can do pain damage
Your choice | umm... you'r just saying that you'll stop, doesn't mean that you wanna be blocked from forums... this is not logical at all.....
by the way, elf is really really powerful with luck
5 luck and a racial ability, you can kill your opponet fast
holy would sometimes help, but i prefer luck | at lv 6, luck is better.
Even though barely any elves beat me in 1vs1 ^^
holy is very good too with mass rapid and blessbut they doesn't affect damage as much as luck in lv6. from lv 8, holy elf gets the case. unicorns and efk become too strong with holy magics. even without much luck, racial ability does the rest for u with holy elf at high lvs. | #4 Explained it good eneugh but, I would like to keep the topic open incase there are some other opinions others might share.
Just as a minor question, uhm..
@ Level 6, 7, to have Mass Bless or Mass Rapid?
If I were to decide on going Holy that is.
@ Level 8, Same question, diffrent level..
Better to have Mass Rapid, Mass Bless, Leadership, Ex.Luck, Battle Fury?
Opinions and Why for both minor questions, if you will.
Thank you for your time.
If you were to waste your time on this. | | why we play games? to have fun exactly you don't have to be strong to have fun even if you gonna keep losing all the time doesn't matter while you having fun just make the build you like and game style i changed my faction 3 times building full castle i was able to save for TGI but i didn't cos i wanna have fun i'm not looking to be strong or whatever fun is what you need stop asking these kind of questions like what faction better what build better just play your style... | To exact your point from that ridiculous passage,
You want to have fun while playing.
OK, Reasonable.
However, How is it possible to have fun, when you dont know anyone around you, and all they want to do, is win?
Explain me that?
Right now, The only joy i feel, from anything as a matter of fact is BEING GOOD AND POWERFULL[And Rich TBH], which is well, like any other player, of my level.[Cause i dont know many..]
And My Style, I have to admit its fun :D
But still, not as fun as being Rich, Good, Powefull, Knowledgable, etc.
Anyway, I understand and apreciate your point.
I hope more players would be like that as well. :)
Shall we get back to topic? | Might.
For one and only reason :
Low Knowledge and Spell Power in your level is weak for Holy spells which demand high duration. When I used Holy in low levels (as Knight though), smarties opponent would avoid my contact until the spells faded. This, will force you to use full magic build (magic artifacts too), which will weaken you in total.
My opinion only. The best answer would be given by Experience. | CL 6.
Advanced Fortune = 2 luck (20% Chance per turn, double dmg)
Basic Holy + Dominion of Wrath (25% initiative with Rapid)
Basic holy + Dominion of Bless (+2 Dmg for fk, EB)
Luck, sometimes the luck hit could be more userful than holy, that's right. But it's a formula based, if you thinggered it with on small stack, like 1
your formule based luck, will decrease, which mean you don't will have luck so soon, the stack which should help you, mess your game.
Also luck it's a random atribute, you can't be sure 100% when it will come, making you play without your skills, but depending of a random atribute.
Holy - Rapid, good for melee sette (with faries), it's very common you take 2, 3 turns agains't some slow kind of creatures, and maybe 4 turns if you take morale... (So a good combo is mass morale)
Also is REALLY hard, the enemy use units to take your retail, becuz your init will be very high always.
Also combo very well with fav enemy.
Holy - Bless. (FK + EB, no faries) Mhmmm, it's to people which don't have faries yet...
Eb have 4 - 7*2 DMG, averange of 5.5 DMG, bless will give +2 DMG, won't will affect max damage, but will be 6.5 - 7 DMG*2
Like I said above, it's a result which you can manipulate and who will make the battle is your own skills, without depend of a stupid random parameter...
Don't forget when luck comes at same time than your critical, one of they are wasted.
So depends of you... Holy is more complicated and dificult to play... Luck is very easy and simple.
Special tip, don't listen people which never have played with both builds. | At level 6, Would it be better to be a Holy Elf, Or a Luck-Based Elf
• Best to NOT be Holy Elf. The stats points you would need to move from attack to know/sp would not be worth the benefits of the spells
• Best to NOT be luck-based elf. I have never heard of this build but if you depend on luck then it will always let you down.
• Best to be might based elf. With high attack and some luck/morale/etc this will work best in most situations.
Luck, sometimes the luck hit could be more userful than holy, that's right. But it's a formula based, if you thinggered it with on small stack, like 1
your formule based luck, will decrease, which mean you don't will have luck so soon, the stack which should help you, mess your game. Each stack's chance of luck is calculated independantly from all the others. So if a 1 unit stack triggers, it makes no difference as to whether your main stack will trigger. | Each stack's chance of luck is calculated independantly from all the others. So if a 1 unit stack triggers, it makes no difference as to whether your main stack will trigger.
I've played lot this game, When I don't have morale for long long time, (with 3+) the next 3 - 4 turns will be automatic morale...
BUT, if some few stacks take lot of morale/luck on start of the combat, my bigger stacks will take long time to get it...
You can say they are independent, But on real battlefield I think it's very different. :)
[• Best to be might based elf. With high attack and some luck/morale/etc this will work best in most situations.
BHe ask about talents... Ofc elfs will be might, they can't be magic! But the currently talents avaliable for CL 6 are.
- Pure luck
- Luck + rain arrow
- Holy
If he go to other way, will be really weak. :)
On CL 7+ He can start with pure offensive, and others new builds... | He ask about talents... Ofc elfs will be might, they can't be magic! Nope, no mention of talents in question or title.
But, as is obvious from discussion of mass holy spells etc, these are pointless without some stat adjustments, i.e. sp to give duration. So the question is obviously not just about talents but about setting character up to fight a certain style.
You can say they are independent, But on real battlefield I think it's very different Not just me who says this and from observation I have never seen anything to make me doubt that luck/morale are working as they are meant to. Which is independantly per stack. | Not just me who says this and from observation I have never seen anything to make me doubt that luck/morale are working as they are meant to. Which is independantly per stack.
Well... We have this, to help understand
"In case if it hasn't trigger for several consecutive turns, the odds of getting it on the next turn increase each time,"
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=35
It could be independantly... But if you use so much with few stacks will take long to happen again, same thing if it doesn't happen for long period, have almost 100% chance to be "wasted" with few stacks...
Ofc if all are independent it shouldn't affect, But I think it does. | Based on the way this is going..
I should be playing with Luck, rather than Holy because its insecure.
Where Luck would last the whole combat,
Holy Magic would not, correct?
So, I'm going with might based elf. With high attack and some luck/morale/etc this will work best in most situations And yet retain some Holy spells for some situations.
I think it would be best QACT. However, If Decay and DiN wants to continue their debate, QA, Dont close thread :) | Ofc if all are independent it shouldn't affect, But I think it does.
They are independent. Your memory is just faulty. Start gathering accurate data, and you'll see that you were mistaken.
Best to NOT be luck-based elf.
I disagree. Elf with Advanced Luck (or Basic Luck and Resistance if you're going against a wizard) is the best bet at this level. You have only 15 talent points, just enough to get 2 Luck/Holy talents. Anything else will give you just one talent, wasting the rest of your talent points. | They are independent. Your memory is just faulty. Start gathering accurate data, and you'll see that you were mistaken.
I've tons and tons of battles and can show you...
If you want watch more than 1k of battles... | I think it would be best QACT. However, If Decay and DiN wants to continue their debate, QA, Dont close thread :)
Oh yeah, forget to asnwer :)
It's your thread, just wanting help you, if you already got your answer could close. :)
About what Din and geryon are talking is on "system description" My at my opnion they just don't know manipulate stats of luck/morale. | I've tons and tons of battles and can show you
So do we. Do YOU want to watch MY tons of battles as a LUCK elf? | Getting out of hand...
CT.
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