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So yeah: Donators have advantages in this game. If they are very rich, the advantages can get very high.
That's all I am saying.
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People like to make fuss about anything, geez... | So yeah: Donators have advantages in this game. If they are very rich, the advantages can get very high. who said not, what i said this game gives at least fair chance to a normal player than nay other online game.
this game yes evil Russian's game! so try some angelic American's game,you would run away with your tail between your legs, (Example try league of angels) | Elaborated explanations
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Explanation 1:
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"I remember the times, when some event came and i was so enjoying it a when the event finished, i wanted more. Now when some event start, i make few battles, i am discuted of boring insane fights."
In the beginning, the game was most attractive because of few reasons;
Reason 1: For simple graphics used for low configure system(That helps show possibility to sign up for all people)
Reason 2: Without doubt the game still attracts with its excellent ideas(As like from the beginning)
Reason 3:In any game, Actual fun is Player vs Player challenges.
In the beginning, there was not events running on. So, all of us find extraordinary way of fun in player vs Player battles.
Reason 4:Changing faction was costly(12000gold for skill potion and possible for only in 24 hours)
Because of the reason, mostly all of the players was running the game as single faction.
Due to reason 3 and 4 together, The players find immerse ways of fun(For a proof, during that period so many complaints raised in forum for violation and insulting in the name of factions)
So, all of us probably feel the period is the real fun time of this game.
Reason 5: Nowadays, most us need to playing only against AI. Anyhow all the events are not possible to done with overall 100% victory. So, psychological pushed us to start a battles even though well known it will be obvious loss.
(In other words, we used to play events without 100% success)
That kills the real happiness. Because, we all used to tolerate the losses nowadays. In such case, actual fun of comparing each other scores is missing.
Explanation 2
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"Don´t understand me bad, but seriously with this game is something wrong. maybe i am older and cant fun by myself. One important thing is that this game is in stagnation.
I have good example, this game is like windows xp.
Anyway, i didn´t want to be rude by this topic. I just talk how i feel it personally, i would like to know how others feel it. "
Comparing the beginning and the present time for the missing points. Overall reason nothing but "flow of the gold".
In the beginning, We all had good money flow for some reasons;
*Earned, from hunt and mercenary guilds with just a minimum AP.
*Gained good experience and faction skill points from Minimum AP Player vs player battles.
Also, the labor wages was more than enough for such minimum AP battles. That helps to save more gold.
*Due to minimum AP battles, most of us played more battles without worried about losses and gold.
(More losses helps to learn more ideas and gain more knowledge about the game. So each day, players run P v P battles non stop.
That attracts each of us to play the game madly)
Overall, gold flow was more than enough to concentrate on fun. Even at the time, amount of donation was good enough to support the game
(As much as I knew).
In present time, So many events introducing at time by time. But, the gold flow was not enough to do.
*All are willing to do events for fun. Due low gold flow, most of them hesitate to initiate the event.
*To get achievement of the event must do punch of battles. So, many of us spent most of the gold in one event and skip the other consecutive events.
(Here, the real fun of the event is missing. Because, each of us can not done the event satisfied without learn from mistakes and loss of the event battles. So due to low gold flow, instead learn from mistakes to do better for next battle. Overall, situation pushed us to gain knowledge to earn money to join fro next event instead of gain knowledge to do the next event better)
So, the game should take steps to improve gold flow for the players to run this game smoothly. Each player's opinion in forum is most important for any game. That is nothing but the actual 'key points' to find the next direction to move.
Conclusion
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Overall, player's opinions | Conclusion
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Overall, player's opinions is an opportunities to find out the current problems.
According to my knowledge and as observed from forum comments in the present situation, the game running without bothering about the hurdles in path.(Problems and issues of players occurred due to new events)
Definitely, such a way of running end up in a huge clash.(Meant without doubt soon or later this game get closed itself due to low number of players' support)
(As a player, I just registered my opinions) | CGs are pay to win proof or almost it.
lol... Please, instruct me and go ahead. | lol... Please, instruct me and go ahead.
You might argue that some factions might have some direct advantage against others, or some builds are better for 1v1, while others are better for group battles (holy/darkness), and you would be definitely right in either scenario. However in CGs 1v1 battles, the artifacts used by either side, the recruitment of troops is somewhat balanced in some degree considerably, I actually think this game achieved something significant here, I mean... When we put 9 factions with subs factions, different racials, different units with unique stats and abillities, plus different recruitment... I think the admins achieved a good balance wise, I mean, it's impossible to get 100% perfect.
Yes, DU's give some good advantage for the player, but... There's some levels which DUs aren't avaliable...
All in all, the CGs battles (1v1) offers a level of fairness bigger than duels/gbs since there's an amount of artifact control and what could/couldn't be wear.
Any further issue based on factions strenghts, cannot be 100% avoided, honestly and has nothing with pay to win opportunities given. | Why is everyone talking about the game being 'Pay to win' lol? The only 'Pay to win' thing I can think of here is TGIs, which is not at all IMHO, you just have to work hard to get it, like in many other games.
I have no idea about the 'Money flow' or whatever as TheKnights mentions, but my opinion is:
The real fact is developpers not listening to player's ideas to make the game better, simple as that. Just look at all the ideas in Ideas n Suggestions, hundreds of ideas over the years.
The game is going to stagnation!!! This is the real problem. We need something FRESH.
Well, that and the fact that there are very very few english speaking players, under 5% I'd say, so I usually have nobody to PvP with. Russian players are normally rude to english ones (That is a real fact) in LWM, so the few english there are wont PvP even when I ask them to. | i read the whole pay to win thing, a good fully enchanted rare set costs bout how much gold? 15k -20k per battle? considering thief and recrutier mixed set costs about 12k. So any how, point being like AoD said, she can have easily 30 mil gold from donations, make a set and use it endlessly, my initial note of pay to win ( the concept here is slightly different) the economy of the game is hyperly oriented on pay to win...
Let me explain how...
most games there are donors and grinders,
Now we can grind here and save up true, but doing so means i miss out on all the fun, doing so means i cant advance in the game i fall behind it becomes a race, and thus to stay in i have to pay or something of the sort..... get my point? | | Yeah TheKnightsss explained it very aptly and correctly all my problems :P | Yes, DU's give some good advantage for the player, but... There's some levels which DUs aren't avaliable...
All in all, the CGs battles (1v1) offers a level of fairness bigger than duels/gbs since there's an amount of artifact control and what could/couldn't be wear.
Any further issue based on factions strenghts, cannot be 100% avoided, honestly and has nothing with pay to win opportunities given.
My bad. I thought that you meant proof "evidence or facts that are sufficient to establish a thing as true or believable" instead of proof "able to withstand or resist something harmful or undesirable" (courtesy of wordreference). | Let me explain how...
most games there are donors and grinders,
Now we can grind here and save up true, but doing so means i miss out on all the fun, doing so means i cant advance in the game i fall behind it becomes a race, and thus to stay in i have to pay or something of the sort..... get my point?
"ANTI-hacker"
You are utterly laughable person:D:D(Because of no reply using cheeky smile)
Read it yourself again and laugh yourself (At least if you can understand what you written). Such a foolish explanation, I never seen.:D:D | With this you can of course "pay to win", that option is semi available on those battles where you have unlimited AP. If yo usteer clear of those the benefit is much reduced - and no longer becomes pay to win, simply paying may give you a longer term advantage.
For my mind this mostly boils down to Abu Bakr and potions of skill which you could use to ensure you get 10% extra Fp and therefore higher average FSP/Exp ratio and a better build - more LG for the def and could buy potions of skill for increased faction resistance.
However, while this "could" happen - in practice most people do not. Therefore in most battles you are not competing with those that have bought their way, and so it is a level playing field. Consequently no pay to win scenario, you can, but it is not required to make the game level and even for the majorit of scenarios.
As to the original premise of the thread and having fun, why of course we are. We all love a good old moan, and by never doing anything they all give use a good chance to whine and debate - which personally I find endlessly enjoyable. Thank you Admins for neglecting certain things to provide us with stimulus material. | Add more information
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*Just check out the event reward for each victory battle. Gradually reducing it for each event.So, seems to be the game pressurizing players to drain out game gold.
*In the last event Halloween 2015, before start the 1st battle the rank shows about 4000+ for me at around 00:10AM. But, online shows about 8000+. Even the event have no negative points. (No clue what is going on!!!)
*Also, increasing the difficulty level of each events technically to let the player loose more battles in events.(Check yourself if not believe) | "pay to win"
If this game is pay to win then frankly the game can replace the 'Donate button' by 'Buy gold button' like all other online games. Anyway none us here able to stop them.(Only option we have to quit the game)
But, In recent changes of the game make no difference compare with other online 'Buy gold' games. | Any how keeping the criticism aside knightsss...
@ Lord Miles, what you intend to say is that donators dont fight with us and thus our opponents are at our level. My problem is the same,
You see donation can be a good option for leveling your self with everyone else not for breaking every bound and running ahead, Take for example These high level donors always win Quick tourneys or atleast most of the times, they use a full encahnted set worth 15k for 4 battles thrice a day, thus, spending 200k without much concern ... now on LG that is a mighty sum to pay...
Technically I cannot maintain the life style CL 20 -21 donors have even when i am at CL 20-21 due to lack of gold.... thus meaning pay to win.... Pay to have fun.... etc.
Also, More events more rules more restrictions
( compulsary AP)
(Making battles so hard that you need to spend on heavy enchants)
(1% tax)
Drains immense money out of people thus forcing them to either quit or donate. | https://www.lordswm.com/pl_transfers.php?id=6583337&page=1
He is CL 7 - 1st on the leader board spent atleast 30k a day, Tell me how is it affordable? if not for donations... well if you can tell me we all can get rich :p ... other wise its donations to win. | for ANTI-hacker:
Excuse me but could you please explain more detail why you think 30k/day is the reason why this guy is on the leader board in this event?(at least for now)
I don't see the logic behind | for ANTI-hacker:
Look close-
2015-10-15 08:45: Received 29015 gold from Empire: Achieved high ranking in the 13th Paired tournament plus among combat level 4 participants, Preset team credit! Silver.
2015-10-15 08:45: Received 103166 gold from Empire: Achieved high ranking in the 13th Paired tournament plus among combat level 4 participants, Random credit! Gold.
2015-10-15 08:45: Received 107552 gold from Empire: Achieved high ranking in the 13th Paired tournament plus among combat level 5 participants, Preset team credit! Gold.
2015-10-15 08:45: Received 92187 gold from Empire: Achieved high ranking in the 13th Paired tournament plus among combat level 5 participants, Random credit! Gold. | | I hope all of you know that without those donaters, this game would have died years ago. Donating is life. Life is LordsWM. | I hope all of you know that without those donaters, this game would have died years ago. Donating is life. Life is LordsWM.
well said.
becides all donating does is speed things up really, it doesnt give them a huge advantage over other people. |
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