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for Lord MilesTeg:
I know, lol
I was just trying to say something related to this topic to avoid being banned :P
Didn't mean to say anything against you | https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4616637
i remember this guy Brought DU at CL13 with gold, that was before merge,ofc he is a roulette addict, got some big hit and he bought DU, there are few more but can't remember there name. | | i buy lores genies and sphynx du with gold and will buy titan also lores before merge i think | angel of death...
post 163 was entirely my personal opinion in which i shared my opinion on the various arguments posted throughout the thread it was neither aimed at you nor was it a personal rebuttal towards your opinion ....
i did in fact agree that diamonds could in some way imbalance the game but only if they are purchased in really great amounts.. n this is whr our opinions differ...
having played various mmorpg's i know many people donate or use the real money to get a significant advantage but many of those games are very popular games where many people play or are games where they can either sell their godly items or the entire account and get back a significant part if not all of their previous investments...
idk about where you come from but diamonds where i come from is freaking expensive like 45 diamonds for a hundred bucks and the average wage is only around 2k-3k ...
unless your very rich in real life i doubt anybody would spend like few hundred diamonds every month just to buy fully enchanted eq's and do duels and gb's...
like i said earlier i do not emphasis on pvp...
i loved homm and that in essence is a pve game...
there are many other things you can do , many other platforms you can compete in so why keep bringing up duels and gb??
srsly this is a certain point of view of yours that i do not fully comprehend...
there are many alternatives for duels n gb's such as cg which you would not acknowledge and there are also facility battles taxation battles and so on... there are also regular tourneys paired minor blindfold for all your pvp needs...
this game is rather wide and everybody will have a different definition of "fun" ...
its up to every individual to set goals for themselves in order to provide some motivation as well as to take the initiative to make the game more interesting ...
those from the dark ages in .com server would probably remember how many of the prominent clans would try to organisse events and mini tourneys to fill the void of 0 updates from gm...
for me this game has improved somewhat since then although many may complain about stagnation and repetitive events for which i have no answer since admins choose to just ignore InS where many great ideas are laid to rest... which is a great shame actually cause i feel some are really innovative and not to hard to implement ...
Player banned by moderator Arcanide until 2015-11-06 20:11:46 // 2.4. Messages should contain proper punctuation and capitalization to make it easy to understand the content. It would be easier to read! ;) | The thread itself proves the title is wrong. Lots of fun in here.
:D | I also want to live to a world where I won't have to work, cook, clean, shop pay bills etc. but I was unlucky to not be rich and got older like many others.
Also the older you get the less you sleep. :p
I said at previous post that I have bought all DU's with game money, TG too and I know 3 more people who have done apart those mentioned here. I am sure there are some more out there.
Not the majority of the game do this but also the heavy donators aren't the majority of this game.
All money of the world can't buy skill, many spent and yet can't do nothing.
RR is a skilled player who eats donetors for brakfast. :D
The NY hipothesis is sooo wrong. Even if was right, do you know the cost of living there?
Most of .com players don't come from america but europe and asia, like cyber said, check wages again.
As for duels or GB, frankly my dear I don't give a damn. | | Sorry for coming back but why enroll at a 210 mine when there's 220 and 215 out there? | for Calamity:
I cannot speak for anyone else - but personally I frequently enroll at sub optimal levels as I am frequently enrolling at work, where I can only justify the immediate time and hence do not want to move at all - especially since at the moment I do not think I could buy abu bakr or a steed sustainably and still do what I want in the future.
However, I recognise the slight false economy of what I say, as I am pretty sure that buying Abu-bakr to get the steed, would almost pay for itself from all those higher enrolls I would do by moving around to get to those better sites.
In short - time | If you are a constant worker then ABC is the way to get some serious job done. :D
I mostly buy it for that, even if I lose a mine for seconds I only need seconds to jump the map.
Of course after all those enrolls you get to know where the good ones are and don't have to spend any time to search.
In the long run I make much more by getting lg levels faster and earn more money for that.
Defense points are so sweet too.
I think is the best thing you can spend your money at, if you are an active player of course. No need to mention all other goodies it gives. :)
I tried to go with out it for the first time this summer, it took just one travel to make me buy it again. :D | idk about where you come from but diamonds where i come from is freaking expensive like 45 diamonds for a hundred bucks and the average wage is only around 2k-3k ...
unless your very rich in real life i doubt anybody would spend like few hundred diamonds every month just to buy fully enchanted eq's and do duels and gb's...
If you're not an north american from U.S, then this schedule won't work for you.
Since it's completely based on them.
srsly this is a certain point of view of yours that i do not fully comprehend...
there are many alternatives for duels n gb's such as cg which you would not acknowledge and there are also facility battles taxation battles and so on... there are also regular tourneys paired minor blindfold for all your pvp needs...
I've stablish a several times that I am talking about the possibility and the real advantage that donation can give, specifically for duel/gb, because there's no rules or limitations there. I've cleary express that CG has a good deal protection from donators advantage.
I also want to live to a world where I won't have to work, cook, clean, shop pay bills etc. but I was unlucky to not be rich and got older like many others.
Well, I rather our capitalist system, as long the consumer has enough money, the life quality can be pleasent, besides what else we would trade if not money as the bridge between products/services?
Also the older you get the less you sleep. :p
Depends, that's entirely up your own life style and the choices previously made for chosing a career. For instance a medic definitely won't sleep 8h/d most often, a cirrugeon would not as well, however there's no reason for an engineer, lawyer, nutritionist do not sleep 8 hours/day.
Like I said, choices will impact on the rest of your life.
I said at previous post that I have bought all DU's with game money, TG too and I know 3 more people who have done apart those mentioned here. I am sure there are some more out there.
Not the majority of the game do this but also the heavy donators aren't the majority of this game.
My point was about the possibility of an real advantage, not how often it does or will happen.
The NY hipothesis is sooo wrong. Even if was right, do you know the cost of living there?
The link that I've posted holds the average cost of living for NY, made by the governament search. It retrieve information from all the population and then put an average between all, for what's more likely to happen.
Surely there will be people who will spend more, and those who will spend less, since it would be impossible to have an static price tag.
Most of .com players don't come from america but europe and asia, like cyber said, check wages again.
The average wage and cost of living I brought for an north amercan, so it won't work for anybody for another country.
Let's just use common sense here, most advanced economical contries like europe, would have an even easier time in comparison that what I've wrote, since they spend less on cost of living in some contries like Germany for instance, and they can even earn more. (there's some exceptions, italy, portugal, spain, etc.)
However countries without a well developed economical structure, which people suffers from a worse life condition, won't be abled to copy the life style condition from other civilians from others better developed contries. | Oh come on, from NY you went to Germany, the 4th biggest economy in the world?
Please get real, Europe has huge differences it's not all like Germany.
I have long lost what the point you want to make is.
Again, all DU's in the world are useless if you don't have skill.
I think this particular subject has been answered from many and with many ways, I have no more to add to this and I have other things to do than argue for the argue.
You do know reality is far away from wishful thinking and theory's, right? | Heavy donators could never rule the duel either since you can choose your opponent.
"Theoretically possible" doesn't mean it really has significant impact to this game... That's why this argue has been going on and on | Oh come on, from NY you went to Germany, the 4th biggest economy in the world?
Please get real, Europe has huge differences it's not all like Germany.
You asked about how it would be on different countries... What else did you expect? An reply about batman vs superman movie?
Well, as you already noticed the answer is pretty obvious isn't it? Developed economy from countries, will deliver a better life condition, which obviously will offer opporunity of consumption of products. My analysis was based on U.S economy.
Besides NY is not a country, yes it's one of most expensive places to live, from U.S, agreed on that, which only endorse my point of being able to purchase 4k at least once per year, if the player is willing to do so. I could've mentioned places with a cheaper cost of living from U.S, that would be better for my argument, but instead I'm bringing a realistic pespective, of what could or couldn't be done, and how it would impact if it's done.
Again, all DU's in the world are useless if you don't have skill.
At same way that birds fly and fishes swim. You lost completely the point.
I think this particular subject has been answered from many and with many ways, I have no more to add to this and I have other things to do than argue for the argue.
I'm sorry, but when exactly did I started to 'argue' with you?
If you directly make a question to me, then I'll have to reply it, you forced me to do so, otherwise I would more than gladly burnied this conversation on the seven deeps of hell.
It's called a 'debate,' one person show one argument and the other replies it, bringing another counter argument or accepting what was being proposed earlier.
In your case you denied my analysis, stating it doesn't doesn't work 'in the real life,' because it doesn't affect the other countries except U.S, when I cleary stated it was for U.S. The asnwer is simply common sense, developed contries will offer a better life condition, thus more opportunities for consumption of products. This certainly will vary to one country to another.
Also let me be clear that you directly asked me, how it would be in europe, so why not mention Germany? Since it's a very important piece of Europe's economy. It's like talking about exportive car and don't mention Germany, or talking about about imigrants and don't mention what they're facing on their own home, it's just to be expected to mention Germany, since you brought Europe to the table.
For poor contries it will be harder to purchase 4k diammonds/years, that's obvious, doesn't requires to be a genius to figure it out. For average salary people it would require a degree of sacrifice, but would still be doable, or a person who receives a wage ABOVE the average. It's so obvious that I don't know why I even have to point it out.
I'm not arguing you, I'm trying to explain, what you have asked at first place, or counter argumented as saying it's "wishful theory's".
And by the way the "wishful theory's" that you mentioned, is a search made by the governament, which made a strict search about rent of houses cost, taxes, transportation, food, restaurant, insurance, health care. It's what a average citizen would spend to be alive, it's obvious that it could be more or less, for instance, a person who enjoy from luxuries which aren't required to be alive will spend more, however a person who receives a minimal wage, won't be abled to spend that much. I'm my case I was talking about average wage, which is more than fairly to pronoune the average cost of living, and the fact that I take a expensive place like NY, it only shows that it's possible to donate 4k/year, actually it would be possible to donate up to 22k. What other data for comparison of life condition did you brought? I'll say, none. | for Angel of Death:
Please, if you don't know the difference between NY state and NY City, I recommend you use another US state/city to demonstrate your point. Otherwise it would weaken your point.
NYC is one of the most expensive place to live, you are right, but NY state is just about average in US states. Living cost in NYC, well that website you've listed tells your 43k, but I've lived there 3 years, the rent of a 300 sqft. apartment is USD 2K/month, yet it's an apartment with roaches and rats.
Please continue with a better analysis, I do not mean to fight with you again. | Btw regarding the "Yes, LWM is about balance if you play all kinds of battles you gonna be broke fast".
Arent Events supposed to be for everyone? I ASK. I mean, who would put an Event for a SPECIFIC % of the players?
I dont know whether developpers in a game put Events to get money (Its a company after all lol, its normal, I understand) or to have the players get some fun, or just both at the same time.
In any case, the TARGET/OBJECTIVE for an Event should be as widest as possible, and sure this PoT thing leaves a player bloody broke if you do the 12 attemps per day (1000-1500 Golds more or less I think per battle, with only 200 refund).
And one that tries to play PoT and isnt too wealthy (In game money I mean) cant play anything anymore. Since appart from PoT there is PvP, Hunts, MG (Which you need Min AP Arts for), and extra things you may need (Potion of skill for instance, a Mount, whatever).
Yes, you can say "Players gonna complain if developpers dont do a thing, and they gonna complain if they bring events, they gonna complain anyway", but what I specifically ask is something FRESH and something we can ALL have access to.
The game is called Lords of Way and MONEY, but one shouldnt neglect the other as it does in some cases.
And sorry if I didnt put my ideas in order, tried to say what bothers me (Like everyone in this thread btw) as I was thinking while writting. | NYC is one of the most expensive place to live, you are right, but NY state is just about average in US states. Living cost in NYC, well that website you've listed tells your 43k, but I've lived there 3 years, the rent of a 300 sqft. apartment is USD 2K/month, yet it's an apartment with roaches and rats.
Please continue with a better analysis, I do not mean to fight with you again.
http://www.rent.com/new-york/new-york-city/apartments_condos_houses_townhouses_1-bedroom_min-price-100_max-price-1000
But overall, yes you're right, the cost of renting that I firstly saw wasn't so expensive once I was looking from the cost of living whole package together.
It's more common to find houses/apartment for 2k range.
I firstly said a average U.S person could purchase up to 22k diamonds/year, now this number seems wrong, infact 4k would require some sacrifice and management, it really won't easier, but it's still doable, with some sacrifices of consumption. | "wishful theory's"
im not really sure wat cal meant but for me...
your saying that people would spend a chunk of their monthly wage on this game??
it is of course theoretically possible as you have proven with your calculations and statistics but the question is would anybody ACTUALLY do that??
take a huge chunk of their money and buy diamonds so they can do whatever they like in a game?? this game?? seriously???
i daresay people who are calculating their income and living expenses closely will NOT spend on stuff like a 2D browser game ... period...
even a drink now and then or a short vacation would be more practical...
those who do spend are those who have the economical freedom to do so and even then they dont donate in terms of thousands of diamonds per month... mayb a hundred to test their luck with chest of abundance is possible...
so what im trying to say is all the points you have brought out are indeed true but they are unrealistic and apply to less then 1% of the entire lwm community...
and regarding post #195...
i believe that if you do have some financial planning you would be able to solve your stated problem ...
i mean what else do you earn gold for?? if not to use it?? you wanna be a multi millionaire in game?? so generally we earn gold to be used in events and to upgrade our castle... of course some people like to play every single event then you would need to save up as you know there's gonna be a new event every few weeks ...
do you seriously like ALL events?? personally i hate pvp so i automatically skip all tourneys... and i don't like losing either so i skip impossible or low win rate events such as previous castle siege... skipping an event here and there would give you sufficient time to replenish your gold stocks im sure...=) | your saying that people would spend a chunk of their monthly wage on this game??
I'm saying it's affortable, not that anybody should, that's all.
would anybody ACTUALLY do that??
Subjective question.
1 - People with free money.
2 - People who are inclinated to spend money here and put this as their primary goal expenses for enjoyment. The reason would be surely personal reason, such liking this project.
To understand concept 2, you've do understand that people often buys what they don't want or need, for instance for someone who rarely watch TV, why he/she should buy a fancy expensive one? This person shouldn't, then consequentely this person would've money to throw on whatever they feel like. It's called priority of expenditure.
take a huge chunk of their money and buy diamonds so they can do whatever they like in a game?? this game?? seriously???
Well, what's the difference between a "GAME" and a "fancy cellphone," it's entirely based on what each person finds that will make their lifes better, if anybody wants to spend 1k, 2k or whatever into a cellphone because it will make their life better, then this person will spend money on this, however if the person finds a 20USD cellphone enough, then there's no reason to spend more.
The logic is simple, if anybody wants to spend in here and they can, theyll will.
Look the UCI's link that I gave you eariler, how many UCI players are in there? Do you think it was charity from the admins?
If you have a different culture/opinion which is against spending money for a game, for whatever reason, then that's fine, but at same rate others won't agree with you. When in the universe did you found any place where everyone thinks at the same way?
This pretty much replies the rest of your post, you've to understand that you're not the entire world, you do not speak as everyone, you're not everyone. | Money management is not that hard...
Again, if you don't have time or money or skill, you simply won't have fun in any game in this world. Maybe you are not even supposed to play game. | im sry but i've lost the ability to think of a way to express my point to you...
you've to understand that you're not the entire world, you do not speak as everyone, you're not everyone.
maybe you should read what you type yourself...
then go outside and take a look at the world...
i do not know where you come from to have such a mindset but i know that all the points i have written about are neutral and true for many...
a very intriguing point i mentioned and you refuted was about how many hours of sleep a day we get...
im surprised that you think everybody can get that much sleep ....
have you been to uni??? start working an ordinary job with overtime and try to balance a social life??
there are always many things to occupy our time and usually 6 hours is the norm for students and young adults ... |
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