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| what lady safiouta means is in real life,money is printed by the respective governments,which more or less means it is coming out of no where.now u have to earn it in real life.in the same way,in lordswm,gold appears out of no where,and u have to earn it by enrolling. | Without taxes, the prices on market items would give 1% more profit, which will eventually lead to more people selling the same said artefact, which will lead to prices decreasing about 1%, due the overhelming competition between players to put their items on sale.
What? Right now we get 99% of the amount we list at the market; if taxes are removed it will be at 100%. What do you mean by "prices on market items would give 1% more profit"? By 1% more, are you referring to 101% on market as compared to 100% of artifact shop which would cause the "overwhelming competition"?
Firstly there's the limit of 3 items per person, or 6 with ABC, which is hardly enough, mainly when we've thousands of offers and not simply hundreds.
You mean you have never seen a sale with more than 1 item per lot? 3 lots is the limit, while you can sell 50pcs per lot for the same item i believe.
The price drop and stuff like that is "pure nonsense" unless we're talking about resources like wood and ore only. It depends on the fact that the owner will allow the sales to happen at prices lower than the original facility price. First of all, I suppose the sales wouldn't be rapid enough as if there were 20 thou players sitting to purchase that one particular item. If the profit is accumulated over time it would hardly affect the prices. And it is very possible to make 100-200gold profit in each sale of popular items like blade of rebirth or dragon eye rings. 2/1 gold profit makes sense in case of resources which are purchased really fast as compared to a weapon. | 50pcs per lot for the same item i believe.
"up to 50 resources, 10 elements, 3 items of a kind for direct, 1 item for auction" | there's always the idiot which decrease thousands, when they could simple put 1 gold less, in order to have his offer to be looken first.
I'm the idiot who would usually sell items at several hundreds gold lower than the cheapest market price to have my offer sold asap. Mainly because i sell items only to free up inventory space and as mentioned earlier you can have only 3 or 6 lots, as such its important to me that my items sell really fast so i can make the next 3 lots to clear more space. In short, i do this to save my time which is worth more for some people than you and i couldn't care less about being that idiot even if it affects a certain market scheme or whatever. | for Hiltrud:
Thank you, i wasn't sure about 50 items myself. So it is 9 items max without abc with 3 lots. Still, not too bad for items where the scope of profit per sale is bigger. | What? Right now we get 99% of the amount we list at the market; if taxes are removed it will be at 100%. What do you mean by "prices on market items would give 1% more profit"? By 1% more, are you referring to 101% on market as compared to 100% of artifact shop which would cause the "overwhelming competition"
What I mean is, the majority of common artefacts that exist today, were put to pay itself, without giving any profit.
If the 1% taxes be removed, then those sellers, would still be selling by the same price tag, thus giving up to 1% profit margin, until the market get overhelmed by offers from the same artefact, reducing the margin of profit to none/pay it self only, as it's currently.
The price drop and stuff like that is "pure nonsense" unless we're talking about resources like wood and ore only. It depends on the fact that the owner will allow the sales to happen at prices lower than the original facility price
It's not likely I don't want to start a flame war, but it's that I don't want to start a flame war. If in your personal opinion and vision of the world you truly believe if the 1% taxes be removed, and the prices stay the same forever, then good for you, I'll not counter argument that, I'm really sick and tired of this.
I'm the idiot who would usually sell items at several hundreds gold lower than the cheapest market price to have my offer sold asap. Mainly because i sell items only to free up inventory space and as mentioned earlier you can have only 3 or 6 lots, as such its important to me that my items sell really fast so i can make the next 3 lots to clear more space. In short, i do this to save my time which is worth more for some people than you and i couldn't care less about being that idiot even if it affects a certain market scheme or whatever.
I didn't meant to offend you, nor anyone.
Point is, if you decrease 1 gold, you'll sell your item, it might take longer depending on demand about each specific item, but you'll definitely sell it, and guess what? You'll profit more, not only that, if the market price never suffered from such flutuation prices, then you would sell as fast with 1 gold reduction as 1.000 gold reduction, since nobody would never do that at first place. But again, this will never ever happen. | the 1% tax is a way to drain gold from the economy. with donations and level-ups, the amount of gold available in the game just keeps rising, creating inflation. without gold drainage, and in the long term, salaries and other gold rewards, while remaining nominally the same, would actually value less.
so there: it's actually a good thing. | Actually there is no inflation in this game since all it's gold is digitised fiction to begin with and the taxed gold doesn't even get spend on anything that benefits players.
The 1% is actually an extra burden for the poor. It's stabbing is being felt every time when selling cheap artifacts. So the poor stay poor.
Also the 1% gets taxed every time the same item gets sold again while in reality it only gets taxed when it is sold for the first time. Let's say the same hunter broadsword gets sold a 100 times for 100 gold each time, this results into it's entire cost getting lost as tax, talk about making gold disappear from the game.
Just count in all the fines that are passed around and the remaining gold on banned chars, not to mention the lost gold in roulette where addicted players keep on losing untill they get madly insane. Making people buy warehouse/depot/cache for every castle just to keep the same inventory space when changing castles also adds fuel to the gold disappearment.
Also if there really was any inflation then the cost of items in artifact shop would also fluctuate, it never does.
The changing of prices on market has absolutely nothing to do with the 1% tax, it's just the more there is of the same item the easier it will be to get rid off it cheaper. This was easily noticeable during the hunting event where suddenly tons of hunt items dropped resulting into the hunt items getting cheaper to get rid off them. By adding more mercenary quests and practicly doubling them also resulted into the elements doubling so every elements price almost got sliced in half since the market was overflowing with them now.
As if the tax is not enough, the empire also likes to sell it's ore/sulpfur etc for 2 gold above rest of it's worlds mines while even giving less wages there, showing that it's greed has no limits. While the resources on the rest of the mines keep drying up, the empires keeps on overflowing. | | Due the fact we can purchase those artefacts from shop and facility, it acts agressively against any form of inflation, after all, if the market goes crazy with common sets, people could just buy them from facility or shop for a standard price tag. | | the whole point of tax is to collect resources from a lot of people,and then spend it for increasing their welfare and convenience,its basically money from the people for the people,which is clearly not the case here,its more like a way to get the gold out of the system to contain inflation,but then we already have a ton of gold outflow and its really hard to collect a large amount of gold in this game without being inactive,so the tax is probably a ploy to get players who are really low on gold to spend rl money on diamonds | | Topic moved from "Queries and help" to "General game forum". | | Q&H is not the place for such discussions, but if anyone wants to contribute further, go ahead | Let's put things in pespective.
A Defender shield cost 1.154 gold, and is being sold at 1.166 on market due taxes.
Assuming the 1% taxes cut off, and the prices drop to 1.154 instead, we'll save 12 gold each time we'll be abled to save 12 gold between a older shield and a newer one.
In order to purchase a new shield with 12 gold discount, we'll need to purchase the same shield over 96 times, taking in consideration each shield has 40 durability, it's the same 1.154 gold income for ever 3.846 combats, equivalent to a CL 10 player for instance.
So no, it doesn't impact poor people at all, what it does instead, is turning enchanted artefacts, rate artefacts, states, TGI and others more expensive items, to be actually more expensive than it should be, thus draining money. But here's the question, for those items which aren't sold at facility/shop, would them become more expensive if the taxes didn't exist?
Let's put in pespective once again.
With taxes when the facilities/shop were filled with common artefacts the prices usually doesn't go higher than pay it self stance, however when an event start and all those artefacts that supposely to be sold at shop/facility were out stock, then the prices magically rise.
So, with this in mind, perhaps the prices from TGI, enchanted artefacts, rare sets and so fort, already reached it's ideal price tag, since the impact from taxes on common artefacts were minimal, thus removing the taxes won't increase their prices, via inflaction, instead it might have the opposite impact, since the seller would be allowed to place a cheaper offer instead.
Obviously the market does fluctuate exist and will mix price tags from one year to another, that's normal, and with tax or without tax, won't change fluctuation. | money in RL also comes out of nowhere
yes, try to conjure 1 zillion dollar in your hand out of thin air
True, i can not do that.
But i bet Obama or Kerry could do it easily :)
Ever heard of "petro dollars"? :) |
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