| Author | Commanders' Guild |
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Good news everyone! =)
Some specifications (small print) have been added.
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=39#tactic
Be careful in battles. |
Interesting
Just a small point with regard to this part of it
- If using a faction other than your most advanced one, you must drink a Potion of Skill before entering a guild battle.
If ones second best faction is only one level below your main and you do not use a potion of skill, presumably this rule would not come into effect even though it would technically be broken. I say this since using the potion of skill would only be better based upon someone having a higher top FL than yourself, which would not be known at all in advance of the battle.
LEts put some figures on what I mean.
I am currently FL 10 in dwarf and wizard, a trait which means I am slightly weaker than I would like for CL15 in direct pvp competition. I am therefore working my way up to FL 11, such that I will get that sufficiently in advance of CL16. However, I would imagine I would get dwarf to FL 11 before I try and get wizard to FL12 given the large FSP gap needed and simply because I get bored playing the same faction for too long, variety is nice.
Therefore if at CL 16 I was FL 11 for wizard and FL10 for dwarf, would I still be forced to take a potion of skill, given that I would only gain an advantage of a few attack and defence should I be with someone of FL12. A difference which could easily occur from someone with lower other guilds overall or just not wearing full full arts - something of which is perfectly permissible.
This is obviously well in advance of me being in this situation, but I hope you can see it is not an unreasonable situation where meeting this rule would potentially involve wasting 10k gold just to meet it for no advantage. |
| IF you step it up to the next levels, then again I presume it would not be broken if your main was FL12 and your used faction in CG was FL11, as no benefit to skill potion would be conferred? |
for Lord MilesTeg:
I believe it should not be liable for poor sportsmanship penalties in your case provided that the average fsl 11 for wizard should be equal to average fsl at that combat level.
also consider a case:
all fsl 8 except as elf where it is fsl 9, at cl 16.
In such case playing as wiz/barb, etc. would be liable for poor sportsmanship penalties? |
all fsl 8 except as elf where it is fsl 9, at cl 16.
In such case playing as wiz/barb, etc. would be liable for poor sportsmanship penalties?
Uh, not sure about the rules but it should get sportsmanship penalty according to me. As your teammate i'd definitely want you to use a potion if you are playing with fsl 8 at CL16 regardless of whatever resistance you have for other factions. Otherwise I would see it as unfair or maybe just plain cheap. |
| So if I face partner without tier4 upgrade at lvl 12, and if I complain, he would be liable for poor sportsmanship penalties? |
Looking at how potion of skill works for WG and AG and using this
http://daily.heroeswm.ru/newscom.php?i=Skills_WG_AG
would it perhaps be a fair interpretation that rather than this phraseology If using a faction other than your most advanced one, you must drink a Potion of Skill before entering a guild battle.
then it would be better if it said
If using a faction with a FL lower than the average for your combat level then you must drink a potion of skill before entering a guild battle
Hopefully the arbitration of this will stem from people reporting or not, and that in these sorts of situations one would not get reported. However, it is always better if the language used is unambiguous and fair. |
| Thanks Beliar for the small print! |
Table of secondary skills for CG
Combat level/Medium skill level/minimum value below which you want to use a Potion of skill.
1) 10 CL - 8/6
2) 11 CL - 8/7
3) 12 CL - 9/7
4) 13 CL - 9/8
5) 14 CL - 10/9
6) 15 CL - 11/10
7) 16 CL - 11/10
8) 17-21 CL - 12/11
For example: Player 12 CL 7-skill level comes in CG without Potion of skill. According to the table in the aisles of the rules, the player receives no penalty.
The same situation only the player 13 CL 7-skill level comes in CG without Potion of skill. The table shows that the minimum permissible is 8 skill level, to the player the penalty is written out (bad sportsmanship in combat). |
Finally we have specific info about how this works.
Thanks a lot. |
| Thanks Beliar that makes things much clearer :) |
Well, thanks for the additional info, but why are things so complicated in this game.
Dear admins: Instead of making us read small prints and tables, please just program that we can't join with certain faction levels. For everyone's convenience. Thank you. |
Dear admins: Instead of making us read small prints and tables, please just program that we can't join with certain faction levels. For everyone's convenience. Thank you.
It's not a priority.
Much more important and interesting to do event/tournament. |
13+
that's just my opinion =) |
| Well i'm not a programmer but how long would it take... otherwise we have angry players (costumers) soon who receive a penalty because they didn't read some "hidden rules" on the bottom of some help page ; ) |
for Menetekel:
They are not going to get banned straight off.
First time they may get a warning or a small financial cost, thereafter ignorance ceases to be a defence. Therefore I personally do not see a big issue to this.
With regard to the ease of coding while it may be straight forward without potion of skill, however to be able to cope with this is probably more difficult. IF you think about it whether you can join CG must occur prior to your partner/enemies being selected, however the FL of the potion of skill is based around the highest of yourself or your opponents. Therefore how can the programme easily and fairly make a judgement of your FL being high enough with PoS at the entry point.
While work arounds could be made, I think it may stop it being a simple quick job as at first glance it appears.
I could however be very wrong! |
I don't want to start a big discussion, it's just... This game has many many rules, which isn't very playerfriendly. So why create some new (which are only displayed in a section not everyone may read), when you can solve it with some coding. I don't know how complicated it is.
If I would get a penalty (or even a warning, whatever) for this I would feel kind of pranked. Like "You really want me to read every tiny paragraph on this page to follow your game rules? C'mon..." |
for menetekel,
cgJoinButton.disabled=true;
if(fsl>=currentClFslThreshold || potionOfSkill)
cgJoinButton.disabled=false;
about that hard but priorities are priorities |
^^
well done :p |
for Lady sofiouta:
Write in full code, show it to Administrators and maybe it will bring, and you will receive a bonus. ;) |
