| Author | Somebody else finds UN "Below Average"? |
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Everybody I ask (That has Necro has main faction), just answers "I just dont try UN at PvP".
I ask again, and they'll just answer "IDK", or "I just prefer Classic".
"Vague" answers, but they reflect the "Lack of interest" in it, clearly.
Also, I dont recall seeing another UN in the opposing team in CG, yet I remember seeing Classic Necros, meaning way less people play UN, it is at least less popular for sure.
Also, Classic is way better at PvE aswell, so UN doesnt get played at all, ever.
I have the feeling they have less "Tools", when it comes to "Denying" the enemy, but that is another story, I suppose.
Small "Proof" though:
http://lgnd.ru/gt/battle/lvl/16/r/102/dim/2
http://lgnd.ru/gt/battle/lvl/15/r/102/dim/2
Doesnt reach 45% wins in 2x2 CGs.
What do you think? |
thats because its CG... unholy necro doesnt thrive in that type :)
mainly because it cant cast darkness spells.
just because its not popular doesnt make it weak :D |
I don't think UN is weak, especially on certain (mainly higher) CLs... The problem is that UN is very boring to play - at least for me and I think for many other players too. The battles with high CL UN can be very often very long and it can disgusts many players when they need 20 hours of playing to get 10 CG points instead of let's say 10 hours ;)
And when it comes to comparing UN with classic necro, from my point of view it is like might classic necro on my combat level (14) is not weaker in PvP than UN. I have around 85-90% winning ratio in 2x2 CG battles with might necro but important is that my char is a bit pumped. To make might necro useful and strong, the char must be pumped and I think it is more important than for the most of other factions. On the other hand, UN doesn't have to be so pumped, there is not so huge difference between pumped UN and an average UN as it is between pumped necro and average necro. |
Also one more thing I didn't mention: although statistics could show that UN have quite low wnning ratio in 2x2 CGs, the reason can be that very low amount of experienced and skilled necro players use them for such battles. They rather use classic, maybe for the reasons from my above post, maybe for another reasons... Anyway I saw few good players using UN and they were quite succesful with him, just there are not so many of those...
I think there is a space for using UN in some 1x1 duels on higer combat levels. few SP and knowledge stats + 3-4 luck is very interesting strategy and can surprise many enemies |
| UN is weak and useless in battle. They have to work the hardest, and longest. Their job is to keep raising and wasping but in the end they have the lowest winrates. Only good for fighting mages perhaps. |
Not so useless, my last cg battle was close although my ally was quite weak.
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=843292362 |
| in 3vs3 UN is very good if your teammates know their role.in 2vs2 and 1vs1 is bad with an exception in 2vs2 were you need a very specific partner. Anyway, it is not popular for a reason and i would like to know how people come to conclusions like #4. |
Not so useless, my last cg battle was close although my ally was quite weak.
Of course, useless is subjective. I for one cannot understand how that sort of gameplay is fun. |
True, tbh I am always happy if I face high level UN opponent in CG, it automatically increases my chance of winning.
But all factions are not good at everything.
Now if you see events, I believe UN are one of the best of it, just not 3vs3 CGs. |
for virtual_vitrea:
Not fun doesn't equate to being useless. And fun is more subjective than use anyway.
for Ipsen:
Typically it is not played in CG because UN is at its best in C at much higher levels. At lower levels chaos casters do damage, buffers buff higher levels, and elves, barbs, classic necros, etc. provide a ranged advantage. UN isn't made to be a good support. But a lev 20 UN would be very strong in cg. |
| In lower levels at least (9-10) UN is really powerful and is fun for me to play group battles and some duels with good arts. The key is to have a few knowledge / spell power but still have good defence and decent attack, then to tank it out. In CG I always take classic necro however because almost always the opponent have higher level players than me and I have no tactical advantage over them with because regardless of how long my troops last I will deal very little damage to them. Classic necro, however, have powerful darkness spells that can give the team an advantage over high leveled enemies. Thats why I take classic to CG |
Not fun doesn't equate to being useless. And fun is more subjective than use anyway.
really now? There can be a dozen reasons i can mention to justify my opinion.They have to work the hardest, and longest. Their job is to keep raising and wasping but in the end they have the lowest winrates. Only good for fighting mages perhaps.
I did clarify soon enough it was my opinion didn't i? |
| from my experience(800+ cg points as UN) the higher the level the worst.rings of cold improved the situation a lot. |
| For me fun and usefulness are one and the same thing..I play to win and that's where I derive my quota of fun from |
for Lady sofiouta:
It could be slightly better with dragons update, CL14-16 are not so good levels for UN PvP in my opinion |
| get ghost dragon and you change your mind |
http://lgnd.ru/gt/balance
UN has (or had) a very good ratio against wizards (argh, I hated when I battled UN), elves and dwarves. They look better on the charts, even if they are more imba (very good against some, very bad against others), while normal necro looks more balanced, so if you have a pumped character it works into your advantage. |
| One thing I didn't like about UN was the imba paraleul mentioned, I mean if I could beat wiz anytime I dont mind too much but if I also lose to each and every tribal it's pretty annoying. Also the battles are long and often boring |
I think when assessing how popular a faction or sub faction is, the average time taken for a battle is a very significant factor - hence the dominance of elves and dark elves in terms of % of people using them.
Many people who play this game first started playing a significant time in the past, when perhaps real life circumstances were quite different with more leisure time. Since then work, relationships etc will undoubtably meant theat time to devote to this becomes more limited (you only really get more time as you get older when you retire).
The nature of the game also selects people who get enjoyment from crafting a good character - they may therefore value the optimum choice of battles over just what ones they enjoy (ie all those that do events, WG and tournaments almost exclusively).
So given these factors why choose a faction and sub faction which takes much longer to do a battle than another. When you look at things through this thought process the low numbers of people playing UN, red demon, classic wiz etc or preferring PvE vs PvP makes more sense.
I play BW wiz, ont because I prefer it in terms of enjoyment of a battle or tactical set up, but because it means they are faster and I can switch factions without having to fiddle around with my raw stats etc, it saves time. In terms of enjoyment I prefer PvP, however do much more PvE as better for charcater development and quicker by far - I can dictate when they will start and can estimate accurately how long they will take not so for anything involving anyone else - so can slot them into the gaps in time I have.
The admins generally understand this and have gradually tried to push things in the direction of direct offensive builds and less magic (RoC did the contrary, though I think they did not mean to make it as OP as they did)
Consequently I think UN has not got a great long term future, if anything I would expect them to change the faction skill to speed it up a bit |
| Time seems not to be a problem for many that choose to play full defense builds.since we speak for the UN class here, in the last minor tournament on my level, most successful necros chose to play classic with a super slow defensive build with infected zombies.So their decision was not based on the time needed to finish a battle but on the efficiency of their build. real data shows that the popularity of the UN is based on results and all other opinions are just personal.Your opinion is respected but to me is false. |
