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Good luck, makmak! Let me know when you will be able to play as you would like with these new rules. Maybe you should ask for a raise of salary in your job from the real world, just to be able to enjoy few hours of game here.
Sorry for my irony, but I have to admit you are right: it's pathetic. | to upgone 259:
Your calculation for battles cost is not accurate.
Used items have less than 50% value
That makes a minimum of 150GP per battle for lvl6 no matter what
You should assume 2-3 battles per hour.
Assistance and PvP have no gold included and not all battles are succesful.
I am lvl4 LG but at least half players in my level who play PvP more often are not.
Please admit that the average expected gold earned in 4hrs play for a good level 6 player is around 700 ;) | Keep in mind please, I am not trying to tell people what to do. I am just telling my own experience.
I was poor and have so little gold due to increasing my smith level. Once, I don't have enough time to fight.. and only enroll for 1 week. Guess what? The golds are coming in, but never out (if you know what I mean).
And, after 1 week.. I have enough golds to buy 1 Artifact (Sword of might). And then I start fighting again using the sword. When it is broken, I sell it and buy a new one. Not so difficult, because I only have to pay a portion of it (35%??) by selling the old stuff. And suddenly... I can buy my 2nd artifact. So on...and so on. I finally have full artifacts on my own.
With the new rule, maybe it will be harder to do this, but still possible I think. Stop fighting for few days... only do the work. When you have the money to buy your first artifact, start fighting again and saving up.. So that when it is broken, you have gold to buy a new one.
Don't buy 2nd artifact yet. You have to have enough money to replace your broken artifact. Only after you have enough money to replace the broken one AND still have some money to buy 2nd artifact, do it... The same goes for the 3rd, 4th etc... | for makmak: cost per battle
http://newelitehwm.ucoz.com/index/0-12 | Hmm. The main point is to put money into movement. People buy arts, factories will have more money, people will work in factories, earn more money. You can trade? With no money there is no trade..Interesting thing about trade is that when the money start flowing away through "chicken" arts, players will have less money, some of them not able to buy any expensive arts and this whole circle might lower the market prices of better arts and rise the cost of basic hunter set maybe?
FORCING somebody to use a product and saying it shall help the economy is like saying: "You have to wash your car every week with red wine, it is useless but it shall give more work and money to the companies that produce the wine, and then we shall all work in those companies and have more money.." | With the new rule, maybe it will be harder to do this, but still possible I think. Stop fighting for few days... only do the work. When you have the money to buy your first artifact, start fighting again and saving up.. So that when it is broken, you have gold to buy a new one.
Don't buy 2nd artifact yet. You have to have enough money to replace your broken artifact. Only after you have enough money to replace the broken one AND still have some money to buy 2nd artifact, do it... The same goes for the 3rd, 4th etc...
sorry, but this is not game, this is work. I have one job in real world I dont need second here. Welcome to Club of Masochists... | I would suggest to cancel the "change faction" button.
I have ever though about change faction when i reach skill lvl 7.
But how could I afford for the constructions and tier upgrade?
Starting with 0 skill points, I am very weak and have to face huge monsters for lvl 8. How could I win?
No win, no skill points and I keep earneing exp and level up, and face even thougher monsters. And I will be in a dead loop and be a looser forever. | +266
i totally agree
if we have to put so much time and energy to "work" on it, why not put them into real work? at lease earn some real $$ and make our real life better. | FORCING somebody to use a product and saying it shall help the economy is like saying: "You have to wash your car every week with red wine, it is useless but it shall give more work and money to the companies that produce the wine, and then we shall all work in those companies and have more money.."
This is like Communism, welcome back in 20th century and say thanks admins... | Used items have 65% value, I thought. Chart agrees.
It costs about 80 GP per battle if you just use one big weapon at level 6. So if you do:
One hunt
One merc quest
One PVP
One hunt assist
per hour, the hunt and the merc quest should just about pay for all four fights, if you include the sale value of the occassional hunter gear and element.
In a little over 4 hours (assuming that you manage to get in 5 labors in a little over 4 hours) at Labor Level 3 I would expect you to make about 1000 GP IF all of your hunts and merc quests were successful, and to make about 680 GP IF all of your hunts and merc quests were unsuccessful. This is in contrast to now, where you make about 1200 if successful and 880 if not successful, assuming that all you can get now is 175 an hour instead of 200+.
So, it does hurt, but not as much as you think. And you'll gain a lot more experience than you did before. | for urgone: And when I did 40 fights per day? With new changes I will be in minus?
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_warlog.php?id=4389675&page=23 | Urgone, you focalized only on replain used artifacts... what about BUILDINGS, NEW UNITS UPGRADE? Where yo could find the money for them? From the place where the sun doesn't shine, as someone said before.
Yes, more exp. Yes, more faction points. But for what? If i can't buy second tier (and third tier, and fourth) upgrade, i will find always a lot of difficults to beat the monsters in the hunt, not to talk about caravans.
I'm not blind, and I'm not a bad player I think. It not a courage question, it's a logic question. I find this game good, and also the improvements (in general), but I don't like this point. | | I think the 2v2 hunts are a bit unfair. There should be an option to allow you to choose if you want to be able to pair up with another hunt or not. Consequently, 2v2 hunts should give the combined experience points for both monsters (which should apply to both a victory and a loss). | | Hmm..and with all the counting, 80 GP for each battle, 120 GP for each battle. Anyway I wont join any hunter assistance, when there is no reward in it for me and after the battle i am down by 100 GP. | 266,
Read my 1st statement please. Have you read it now? Thank you.
If you prefer to work in real life, why are you here anyway? This is the new game rule. Take it or leave it.
I don't like the rule myself. But if I still want to play this game, I have to get used to it.
That's called maturity, not Masochists... no offense | urgone:
That may work for a magi, because you have the option of delivering massive damage with a spell. So you can dance around the enemy, until you can take them out. But as a knight, there is no spell available which deals damage. At level 8, I can poison them, but even then it is going to take more than just spells to defeat them. Also, if you only have 10 squares to settle in, all of your units are going to be compacted together.
Last, there is no guarantee that I would get the opportunity to fight those again. For all I know, this is the last time I will have this many to fight before I level up. I am only 20k or so points from the next level, that is about 10 solid battles, or 200 hunt assists. As is likely, it will fall somewhere in between. I am not going to pass up every other fight just so I can get back to 2434 skeletons, which I will then still have no guarantee of fighting alone. 3000 gold once is high enough, to spend 6000 or 9000 or 12000, with no guarantee? | +271 Sigh...for that one page.
In your hunts alone, you made about 2000 gold, plus two wood and two ore. This is in spite of losing almost half your hunts. You were on for 18 different hours during this time, which at laborer's guild 5 is another 11,000 or so.
At 100 GP per fight (you can get lower if you try), you would have made about 10,000 gold on that page. Plus the money from your mercenary quests. Plus, you actually lost almost half your hunts. Who knows, you might have won some of them if you'd been wearing gear.
Don't think you'd be going broke any time soon.
As for Luckas- Winning a hunt and winning a mercenary quest is worth about four fights woth of equipment, at least at 5th-6th level. So assuming you mostly do those, and you do reasonably well at them, you can use ALL the money you make in labor on buildings and upgrades. | | I am still thinking about earning the money. Shebali said you can play two towers, roulette, sell things at market. But when you sell something or win, it doesnt create any money. It just takes money from one player to another. Not talking about roulette. There are only two ways of creating money after the update. Labor and donation. Because hunt is no longer a method of earning a single coin. And please dont tell me about selling some sulfur to a magic powder factory or something. 12 minutes of walking through the map and back, investment of 10 000 gold and you can earn 10-15 coins if you are lucky. | Shibali always uses 2 big roulette winners as examples
These are extremely RARE cases, cannot represent most of players.
It's more like when you are talking about short of cash, some one tells you that you can learn from Bill Gates how to make money. LOL | I still cant understand how they could win. The basic rule of roulette(along with other casino games) is that "CASINO always wins"..In fact hazard games can help the economy - in a small group of lucky ones..but i dont think if everyone starts playing in a casino we shall all be rich and the whole world turns into Las Vegas..it might turn into something not so shiny :-)
Its same thing with the two towers. Half of the players lose, other half win and the system sucks 5% of each game. Same thing with the market 1%. We put money into the system and get ALMOST the same amount back. |
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