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Hi all,
I just had a friend (a few of you should know who I'm talking about.) who accidentally sold an item at a much lower price (about 30,000) than the market value by mistake.
Now the rules states that:
3.13. Additional characters are not allowed to make presents to anyone, or pay/receive clan taxes/entrance fees. When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices. Trying to wash the money through substitute parties is a serious violation leading to block of the additional characters and penalty to the main one.
If a player either accidentally sell the wrong item (wanted to sell a Hunter Shield, but clicked on Tower Shield instead) or type 1 '0' less (sold something for 3,000 instead of 30,000 gold.), what should the buyer and seller do?
The rules clearly states: "When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices."
1) If we go strictly by that sentence alone, the buyer has broken the rules and shouldn't even buy the item in the first place, no? If he/she did, then he/she is liable to be punished? --> Somehow, this don't seem right.
2) If we take the above rule as a whole, then this portion of the game rules only apply to 'additional characters', and main characters can/are allowed to sell/buy any item at way lower than market price/value. --> Somehow, this also don't seem right..
So how now, brown cow? :)
Any mods care to shed some light on this?
Thanks in advance. | I had a friend sell his enchanted Sword of might for the normal going rate...instead of a non-enchanted sword...he contacted the guy that did it, and he would not return the sword, or refund any difference--zip, nada.
My friend eventually quit the game, the loss was too great, he saved up for months to get that sword enchanted. | | Anyway, I forgot to mention, I am also eager to hear what the admins have to say. I consider those sorts of errors in violation of the 30% rule to be gross abuse. But in the "real world" if you sell something for a lot less by mistake--you get no compensation, so it is a tough spot. | I would say that one-off mistakes are not in anyway breaking any rules. It's a mistake...
That's why when you post a lot, they actually ask you a couple of times "Are you sure? You can't change once you post" and stuff..
If you repeatedly or intentionally do that, then you are obviously cheating and will be punished..
And 3.13 kinda deals more with Additional characters buying stuff.
In the end, It's "Caveat emptor" - Buyer beware and also "Caveat venditor"
- Seller beware | | its not against the rules. it was the seller's fault for not knowing the current market value of an item, and for pricing it so low. This is not against the rules and the buyer will never be punished or forced to return said item. As far as the buyer is concerned, he just got an awesome deal.. sorry non of this is against the rules for any reason. players need to research before the sell something on the market. | If you repeatedly or intentionally do that, then you are obviously cheating and will be punished..
Not trying to be picky, but beside myself wanting to know for sure, I hope this thread and the answers posted will also be beneficial for everyone who's reading it.
What exactly does 'repeatedly' means? 2 times is ok, but 3 times is not? Or is 3 times okie, and 4 times is not? Wouldn't the vagueness of such terms leads to unpleasant and sticky situations in future? Everyone has their own version of what 'repeatedly' means.
Same goes for "intentionally". Who decide when a transaction is intentional or when it's a mistake?
I would say that one-off mistakes are not in anyway breaking any rules. It's a mistake...
Well, I totally understand where you are coming from, but this simply adds to the confusion.
one-off = mistake?
So let's say a player wants to leave the game, he wants his good friend to have his TGI, and he knows the rules forbid him to just pass the TGI to him since a TGI (worth about 350-400k) is definitely more than 30% of most players total property unless he has more than 1 million.
So he can 'sell' to his friend at 35k and if anyone ask, he simply says he made a typo and miss a '0' when posting the item for sale? So since it a one-off, it's ok?
Nothing against Takesister, just wanna be clear about the rules for the benfit of everyone, coz I can foresee something like this happening sooner or later, and then a big hoo-ha will erupt in the forums with players taking both sides.
Thanks in advance. | What exactly does 'repeatedly' means?
I have one story to share with you. I didn't remember the very detail and the player's id (let's call him/her as H) , but here is what I remember:
H had an enchanted SOM (worth about 100k?), he posted it on market for a much lower price (30k buy out?). In a few minutes, player A bought it off the market. Then H asked A return the SOM for 30k and stated it was a mistake, and threaten if A won't return he will report it to Admin as an illegal transfer. Ok, A is a good player he did return. But this is just the begining of the farce.
A few hours later, H post the same SOM on market for 30k buy out again, the same story happens to B. Then C, then D....
Now do you think it's just a simple mistake? Or he/she did it on purpose for some reason we didn't know?
I don't know what's the end of the story, but if someone still remember his/her id, I would like to see it again. :D | | Just buy it again, saves your money ;) | I sold my tower shield on market for 1900gold, I made a mistake, i asked if i can have it back and ill give you some more gold, but he doesnt answer, what should i do ?
Archerblade | Or he/she did it on purpose for some reason we didn't know?
If I were a bit cynical, I'd say that this person was trying to give the artifact to someone, but using a market transaction so it wasn't appearing too obvious. But I'm perhaps mistaken.
Sometimes, a seller makes a deal too good to be true by typing a wrong amount for the price: too bad for him. The buyer has no obligation to return the item (apart being nice) and this does not constitute an illegal transfer in any way.
Sometimes, a seller makes a bad deal on purpose, trying lure an unsuspecting player into buying a lame artifact for an incredible price and someone falls in the trap, ignoring that the item may be bought from the Artifact shop for example. This is far less common, but once again, this does not constitute an illegal transfer.
Finally, sometimes market is used to "hide" illegal transfers by giving the impression they are genuine artifact transactions. The most common example is overpriced hunter items: a main "sells" a hunter artifact at an incredible price (say, 5000 for a hunter hat) and the item is "bought" by a mult. These transfers are obvious and fool no one.
3.13. Additional characters are not allowed to make presents to anyone, or pay/receive clan taxes/entrance fees. When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices. (...)
This rule is for Additional characters ONLY. A main character can buy (or sell) at any price. But if you are to transfer gold, why not giving it away? Gifts are allowed in this game, last time I checked. And there's nothing wrong offering some gold to a friend - and labeling as such in one's transfer log. | If I were a bit cynical, I'd say that this person was trying to give the artifact to someone, but using a market transaction so it wasn't appearing too obvious. But I'm perhaps mistaken.
No you weren't cynical. That was exactly my thought as well. Or maybe I'm cynical too. |
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