| Author | Alert! Elite Warrirors attempts to skirt the rules |
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To all those asking to see a rule;
Uh, the program was written to stop this very thing from happening so they didn't need to write a rule. The match wouldn't allow a group from the same clan to dominate. We all know why it was written. By leaving the clan, you now are not bound by this rule BUT you are bound to your mates because these players are still EW, and will be again when the tournament ends. Did anyone notify the rest of us? Not that I know about. All I read is EW has problems about finding matches, like there are no other clans involved. We would have found out eventually after we ran into trouble with an unbalanced match but I would not sit and wait for this to happen. Rules? Yeah, the rule was put in place. Why would it need to be written when the server did auto-rejections of the matches. Amusing argument though I must say. |
Oh yea...my advice...forgot to mention that:
Back when I played Free-For-Alls (for fun) or Blind-Fold style battles, everyone would pick an enemy...and just fight that person...if one guy died, then you'd move on to whoever you wanted...so it was never an out-right gang-bang on one guy...as I've seen happen throughout this tournament.
There are 6 people fighting here. Reasonably, each one could pick an enemy, and just go at it...and then pick a new opponent once their victim is dead...this would make things a whole lot more interesting--and fair. Granted that not everyone can win (lol) but at least no one can claim they never got their "fair" shot.
IF other MC leaders are on board with this sort of arrangement...maybe we can push this ideal on our members so that they aren't caught doing things that will embarass you, and further ruin your clan's reputation.
Cheers,
LS |
The combat log of Jedi-knight which caused his post in the general forum.
Posted here https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1869954
Cipa[12] vs Jedi-Knight[12] vs aRU[12] vs Hexagram[12] vs Modi[12] vs Kallista[12]
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=485026211
1st Hexagram-EW bottom Wizard
2nd Aru-EW top Wizard
3rd Cipa-LOS Barbarian
4th Jedi-knight-Unattached Knight
5th Modi-LOS Barbarian
6th Kallista-Ex EW member Barbarian
I think personally lcorndogl made the best point on behalf of EW in their motivations. After he made his post it should of stopped there. I don't believe anyone else in EW actually argued their case effectively. However I am still neutral on this. The coding of allowing only two members of a clan to be allowed into a blindfold battle does lead to the conclusion that circumventing the programming seems like it is an effort to cheat. However lcorndogl point is completely valid. In that yes due to lower population in those levels it is hard to be in a battle.
However before Modi made this post Jedi-knight made a post with 2 EW members plus an Ex EW member. I posted the combat log because it provides some sort of evidence on for or against EW in this matter. And if you care about this topic you should watch it see if you can realize whose who and see for yourself if you think teaming is going on. I wrote the order of who wins and loses. So feel free to judge for yourself. |
I personally feel EW should have made a broadcasted query of their plans before they did so, asking if it was alright and if any other Military Clan wanted to do the same, making it fair for all. If the idea was shot down, they should not have gone on with it.
I think now the tourny for level 12 and above would be harder to organise since a lot of non-EW players would not want to play at all. This will result only in EW being the only clan that benefits exp and fsp wise from the tournament and of course gold wise.
The rule that is being broken is the rule that only 2 players from a MC can play in a group of 6 in a FFA. By leaving the clan just to play, you are bypassing this rule. Yes, it is not written somewhere, but it's a rule nonetheless that is in effect.
I sincerely don't want to see the after-effects of the punishment (if any) of this issue. |
I didnt believe what I see again -
We would have found out eventually after we ran into trouble with an unbalanced match but I would not sit and wait for this to happen
did u see any battle EFO before tournaments for 12-14 lvl ?!
I do , most of time I play against Antos and kusika and others.
Who won ? - Antos, most of time ... and 2. ? - Kusika
why they won ? - because they collaborated
but no one cry or whining , no one create ,,Warning,, topic because no one care. We just play for fun even though we know that we lose !
one of my case :
Antos create EFO battle - 5 minits no one join - now I join and after few seconds Kusika and Fes ( all from DA ) maybe coincidence or TRAP ?! I just dont care and battle start:
12-01-09 19:44: Antos[14] vs Kusika[14] vs Fes[14] vs SONYcz[13]
The point is : EFO system didnt say who is your enemy a who not. there is always only one winner ! |
I personally feel EW should have made a broadcasted query of their plans before they did so
I think Arctic shouldnt left before start of tournament, he should stay at least first day of tournament to check if everything is adjusted properly;) |
43: Watch that fight again and you can see that Modi and Cipa cooperate since first move of combat. They both kill other barbarian consistently and they don't do even 1 damage to each other over the course of battle . The fact that they failed in the end to win against the other 2 people cooperating does not make them angels....
This whole thread wants to tell us what? That is legal for 2 people to work together but 3 or more is illegal? And to establish a rule for that? Then how are people that don't belong to ANY war clan supposed to compete? They will get in battles with 2 pairs of opponents that have pre-planned strategy and they will have to rely on the other random guy in the battle to work perfectly with them?
Or you think that this rule can prevent 3 people to cooperate? You think it is hard to ask someone that was never in a war clan to work with us to win tournament and get 3 people in fight working together?
I am sorry but if these are your moral values - then have fun playing with them.
Blindfold combat style is doomed to lead to "staged battles" and in my opinion should be completely removed from the game.
Every moment that passes I am more than happy that I decided not to participate in this complete failure of a tournament :-) |
still I miss point how can EW members play Tourny if they cant leave BC.
wait for lucky Hour when there be right combination of players ?! sorry but I cant waste week waiting for nothing ...
We waited for 2 days and no one helped us . |
| I would hope that when Arctic comes back...he'd extend the tournament for levels 13+ if needed. |
| [Post deleted by moderator Takesister // Sorry, but that suggestion kinda diviates from the main issue] |
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47 2009-12-03 23:08:53
43: Watch that fight again and you can see that Modi and Cipa cooperate since first move of combat. They both kill other barbarian consistently and they don't do even 1 damage to each other over the course of battle . The fact that they failed in the end to win against the other 2 people cooperating does not make them angels....
This whole thread wants to tell us what? That is legal for 2 people to work together but 3 or more is illegal? And to establish a rule for that? Then how are people that don't belong to ANY war clan supposed to compete? They will get in battles with 2 pairs of opponents that have pre-planned strategy and they will have to rely on the other random guy in the battle to work perfectly with them?
Or you think that this rule can prevent 3 people to cooperate? You think it is hard to ask someone that was never in a war clan to work with us to win tournament and get 3 people in fight working together?
I am sorry but if these are your moral values - then have fun playing with them.
Blindfold combat style is doomed to lead to "staged battles" and in my opinion should be completely removed from the game.
Every moment that passes I am more than happy that I decided not to participate in this complete failure of a tournament :-)
Do you think I am complaining that Aru and Hexagram teamed up against me? I dont care about that and I expect it from all players who are from the same clans in this tournament. What I dont want is 3 or even MORE players on one side. Dont try to make my thread about anything more than what it was intended to be. I didnt complain to Hexa or Aru or even mention it because what they did was fine by me. Nice try though. |
| So it is OK for you to gank with your friend someone that has no Military Clan, but is not OK if 3 friends gank you and your friend? |
This whole thread is a big joke and i tell u why. Antos and Kusika staged every 6 FFA battle since the day 6 preson FFA arena was introduced ( u can check theyr combat log if u dont believe) but none never complain abt that because they are not EW...
no rule states only 2 war clan members can join (we can only assume its there)
no rule against leaving clans (there is no guarantee that ppl who left will join EW ever again) |
12-03-09 19:30: Isaacimov has left the clan.
12-03-09 18:51: Mr_eee has left the clan.
12-03-09 16:19: tom82 has left the clan.
12-03-09 16:16: VoDanh has left the clan.
12-03-09 15:57: lordmexx has left the clan.
12-03-09 15:53: _force_ has left the clan.
12-03-09 15:53: infect has left the clan.
12-03-09 15:49: Sekmeth has left the clan.
Those people sacrificed clan membership, lost at least 5k, position in clan, and made a far greater chance for you to do any blindfold battle at all, instead of joining up to 10 times a day, wasting all free time every day and still not managing doing 20 battles in a week time, people should be thankfull for deeds like that |
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I think people are having difficulty defining what exactly is "cooperation."
A "I won't attack you, if you won't attack me" is by far a lot better than "Let's both attack this guy together and wipe him out."
I don't think anyone has openly accused EW of staging battles..or any other clan for the matter. But it is not an 'assumed' rule that more than 2 players of the same MC cannot join--it is quite real. Try it...it won't work...that's pretty real if such is the case for ALL players on the server.
Anyway, if all clans were to tell their mates to just attack one person, and be good sports, instead of ganging up on 1 person right from the start..it would make for a funner experience.
Cheers,
LS |
Men ... in this type of tournament there will be always some teaming up. Even if the players don't know each other, some of them team up naturally. Partial or overall collaboration is just a part of this type of tournament and noone can do nothing about it.
Those, who suffer by teaming up, can say to themeselves: "They feared me, because I am strong, that's why they chose to team up against me." And it's just true - if you were weak, they wouldn't notice.
As Jabbar wrote, I am looking forward to duel tournament, too. One vs one. Fair, no whining. |
I don't think anyone has openly accused EW of staging battles.
Post please and then forward through this whole thread, shall we go? |
