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Forget it, bro, they won't get it. All people talking here are wrong when they say it became faster without MR.
And then most of their arguments are nonsense.
Fights take longer now (if you really want to get a good place at tournament).
Thats a fact and i makes admins decision unlogical in every possible point of view i can imagine. |
Aha, most from players here and administration are non logical, but some "perfect" players - not (sarcasm).
Do you have statistic? Real statistic of hundreds battles. Or you have only 2-3 battles and strong believing in your point? To proove something you need facts. Admins have it - they have all base of battles. But they don't must to show it to all who want to do his wishes.
BTW - i showed battle too and can show other such battles.There are many of it on .ru server in past tournaments (1-3 ST were with MR). Why all who still want MR didn't argue about that battle? |
Maybe because its on the .ru server and i dont have any reliable posibility to look at stats there + since it was stated here .com should be differnt then .ru.
(Anywhere in the Forums or statement form Arctic)
Sadly the we became the mode of last winter in .ru land brought to us by a humanrights organisation. |
To be honest, i don't see why it's such a big deal?
Why not just choose a different talent when participating in the Tournament? |
To be honest, i don't see why it's such a big deal?
Be here 20Times longer as a Wiz and then maybe you will understand this huff |
Aha, most from players here and administration are non logical, but some "perfect" players - not (sarcasm).
Do you have statistic? Real statistic of hundreds battles. Or you have only 2-3 battles and strong believing in your point? To proove something you need facts. Admins have it - they have all base of battles. But they don't must to show it to all who want to do his wishes.
- Nothing wrong with believing in your point. All the better when you're fighting for what you believe is right, not for what others have told you is.
- Do you have the facts? Do you have the 2-300 battles that they have? Maybe then you can use that argument, but until then you're no better then him or me when it comes to facts.
- The admins have proven time and again that they do not watch over this server and, therefore, do not care much about it's wellbeing, so as long as they don't communicate their reasons, how can we assume the change had a good one for being implemented? For all we know, it could just be because one of them woke up on the wrong side of the bed and his pillow casing had "MR" engraved on it, which made him hate this talent.
Also, don't give me the .ru server as a role model, since I couldn't care less about what happens there. I'm talking about what's being done here and no issue that affects one of these servers should directly be corrected on the other as well. Since the communities are very different from each other, so must the rules be, in order to acomodate each of them.
And last, but not least, for the player who stated that this is not our game and we shouldn't care because of that: you couldn't be more wrong; as long as we produce traffic on their website, as long as we donate money, as long as we invest time and effort into bringing our friends on the website to play with us, we will always be a huge part of the game and the fact that this is apparently irrelevant to the administration kills whatever future this game might have. |
My opinion of the real reason for such an action is that the admins want to seem active. They just take all they can find from .ru server and change it slightly for this server here.
This happens step by step now after one of them had this glorious idea after one year of ignorance. After implementing a few tourneys and weapons they didn't find anything good and easy to be implemented. Therefor they just picked some rubbish that makes them seem busy and being concerned about us. Yes US, as Lannik said, WE are the server and without US they don't get anything donated by anyone. Therefor i don't understand their behaviour, because actually they want something from US, our money. But without seeming busy they won't get any.
They just don't care the slightest bit about US, just about our money, and they do the least work to achieve the greatest profit.
It seems that they calculated the local maximum to be at this point. |
If the standings of the Wizard faction don't change because of this change-nothing is wrong.
If they DO change, that means that some Wizards have been using their extra time to win. Not an actual strategy. Just run and cast, with bits of luck. In that case, it shouldn't matter. Because strategy should always triumph over time.
Also, prove that games are still just as long without mana recovery. You can't just say that games remain just as long without proof. Show us some battles, or that statement will be ignored. |
Just think logically: 13-15 damage (in my case) with a normal attack and 1100+ dmg with 2.5 turns with the spell that would be used with MR.
Thats 28.57 times as much turns without MR to achieve the same damage. And then Sorcery improves casting even more.
A much easier way to make it unable for wizards to use MR would have been several waves of fast/non-slow units with them the wizard has to empty his lower manapool with MR instead of Intellect. With Intellect (what would likely have been chosen by many wizards then) it would be possible to have mana even for many fast waves a row. |
Just because it seems logical doesn't mean that it will happen.
If you can show a battle in which the person gets a high standing AND uses that method in the Wizard standings in recent tournaments, then I will agree.
Then we can figure out other ideas. |
Eah, .ru server must have other riles. Not new idea. Around hulf year was big discussions on forum, where our keeper used rule from. .ru. But here wasn't that rule at that time. Administration, mods and keepers showed than - we just players. Nothing will change if some of us will go out. Others will come.
Now about rules itself. No sence in dealing 2 different servers by one team. Its cheaper and more easy to copy good ideas from .ru server. We can think about .ru as test-server for us if you want. Early or later all news will be here too. Now administration making big updates there and trying to balance all. After it they will implement it here i think.
- Nothing wrong with believing in your point. All the better when you're fighting for what you believe is right, not for what others have told you is.
- Do you have the facts? Do you have the 2-300 battles that they have? Maybe then you can use that argument, but until then you're no better then him or me when it comes to facts.
- i write all in what i believe. But our believing is nothing for others without facts.
- I can show many battles with MR. All from. ru. Why from .ru? Becouse we have only 2 ST with this talent, online at that time wasn't so big (i mean at least 8+ lvls) and players here didn't use it so strongly as players from .ru on 2-nd and 3-rd ST there. All wizards and all necros did use this talent. ALL of them had to use it, and run to gain mana. Or they could be outsiders on tournament. Thatswhy MR is not working now. Becouse there is no tactic in it. We can talk about it for long time. But i see, that now discussion is only for discussion. Sad. |
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https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=486525101<=-1
Killing 107 golems by attack, he won 1st place. |
| No arguments anymore? I hope you (and maybe admins) are convinced now that the MR-Removal was stupid. |
Hm. Fine.
How about this? Let's go on a different tack. As Moonvampire said, the only way to win a tourney was to use mana recovery. This limited the strategy to either using that, or losing. By removing mana recovery, people have more of a choice in talents, allowing people to experiment, instead of being forced to choose one talent.
It's just that shorter battle times were thought to be a positive side-effect, and sometimes, it does become shorter. |
@Anyone
Obviously you have no idea of wizard gameplay.
No offence but thats nonsense. You dont increase variability by decreasing possibilities.
Mana recovery is excanged by interlect and -20 or 40% cost. As you need more mana now. This actually reduces talent options. |
You dont increase variability by decreasing possibilities
You do if you have to use one possiblity and get crushed if you try something else. It's the illusion of choice, when really, if you didn't use mana recovery, you wouldn't win. How is that giving someone a choice? |
| Well its not Recovery or not then Recovery and what else. |
| Yeah, but winning the tourney shouldn't be dependant on one talent. |
| Well now its dependent on a set of talents. Wich makes it worse |
