| Author | Question after losing 100 caravans... |
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I have just lost my 100th caravans. Meanwhile i won only 10. And i have a question. All battles were in min arts. Do you thniks my caravans are weak enough now?
I am thinking about buying some arts like:
Platemail
Light mithril coif
Steel boots
Mithril longsword
Warrior pendant
Signet-ring of might
Signet-ring of might
Tower shield
cloak ?
What is better: to win some caravans in full arts or still fighting in minimum with my samll 1:10 winning ratio? |
| still fighting in minimum with my samll 1:10 winning ratio? |
My suggestion is
Sword of Might
Steel Helmet
Steel Cuirass
Steel Boot
Defender's shield
Cape of Winds
Amu of Luck/Morale
It works quite well for me. I used DE to get TG 7 by using this set. Cost/Battle is around 500/battle which is acceptable, and also keep the ratio of winning at 40% |
| The question comes down to gold. How much gold are you willing to spend? |
| As long as you win at least 10% (to get rid of the workaholic penalty) whats stopping you from using min arts? |
How much gold are you willing to spend?
That arts which i posted above cost about 220k gold, that is what i could spend.
But still the question is max or min art? I know that some people will say min others max. That's why it is so confusing. |
| A i am close to this way of thinking As long as you win at least 10% (to get rid of the workaholic penalty) whats stopping you from using min arts but losing is so irritating... |
The caravans will soon adjust to match whatever arts you normally wear.
If you fight always in min arts you will eventually win the same ratio as if you always fight with full arts. It will just cost you a lot less.
Your best bet is to probably fight with something near the bottom end (e.g. decent sword / amulet of luck or morale / defender shield). This will give you a decent chance v's un-arted players while still being relatively cheap overall. |
How much gold are you willing to spend?
That arts which i posted above cost about 220k gold, that is what i could spend.
I meant how much you are willing to spend over the long term. I'm sure that once your arts break you will continue ambushing.
1. Let's assume you will never stop ambushing and that you will use the same arts for ambushing.
2. Enter X gold you are willing to spend per week on ambushing arts.
3. Enter your income per week. |
1. Let's assume you will never stop ambushing and that you will use the same arts for ambushing.
2. Enter X gold you are willing to spend per week on ambushing arts.
3. Enter your income per week.
I was rather thinking to buy those arts, win 50+ ambushes (optimistic) then again in min art decrease strengh of caravans. |
| I would say keep it up with min arts. Losing always feels terrible but one of these days you will unknowingly hit the right difficulty level and start winning a lot more. |
the answer is simple. tactics I use (and I have 4 fully build castles and 300+k gold and bunch of ress).
you have LG 5 which means you earn 525 gold working in mine...
you can afford outfit that costs that much max to be positive...
and then (most important of all) use that same outfit all the time and then you'll soon notice how your cash goes up each day....
I recomend: SoM, Steel helm + curcais, deff shield, ammy of luck
costs about 400 gp/fight with decent stats (att&deff) |
| i agree with barilla and also u can use more armor now until u get thief guild 2 so u get 2 thief arts and sell them thanu can start min ap again |
I was rather thinking to buy those arts, win 50+ ambushes (optimistic) then again in min art decrease strengh of caravans.
You can try a few battles with full arts and see how it goes. Most players use half arts and never change that set for all their ambushes. But there's nothing really wrong with your strategy. I do that too. I use min arts when I want to lose and I use full enchanted arts when I want to win. Sometimes this decision is up to my mood, but it is mostly due to my time constraints. I use min arts when I have no time or not able to play properly. And I use full arts when I have time and want to play seriously. |
Well i'm playing most of my ambush min arts and when it seems to be doable min arts I switch to full arts, win some ambushes quickly then revert back to min arts, and so on.
My idea is that when you win too many ambushes whatever is my art set I loose so why wasting full art ?
Maybe I could win one or 2 extra ambushes and then ???
I've no enchant and don't plan to waste expensive enchant just to win a few ambushes that will make me loose next ones later.
Key point to me: if you win now, you will loose sooner or later due to difficulty increase so why paying that much.
Meny if you are near getting next thief level i can use full art to reach sooner but on long term I switch min/full art. |
correct me if i'm wrong, since i have no thief experience, but it seems as though it would be:
full arts: win win win win win win win lose win lose win lose.... (as the difficulty keeps alternating, eg. de caravan with 18 hydras. lose. then 16 hydras. win. then 18. lose. etc.)
min arts: win lose win lose win lose win lose..... (eg. 10 hydras. win. 12. lose. 10. win etc.)
this is for one type of caravan.
so it seems that with full arts you would eventually have around a 50% win rate, and the same with min arts, but with full arts you just win an extra 20 ambushes (approx).
so i would go with min arts all the time. |
its not 50%, since they increase more if you win than they decrease if you lose
So (without players) its around 25%-35%.
Only difference between full arts and min arts is
- The costs you have for each battle
- In full arts you have a bigger chance winning from a player if you catch one |
for qulows:
Actually the sustainable rate is more like 35-40%. And you will need over 1000 ambushes at full arts to hit rock bottom again after min arts.
This means you need to reach the bottom rate with min arts first before switching to full arts. And the 1000 ambushes doesn't mean 1000 wins. It just means you need at least that many before you are stuck at the bottom rate again for all your caravan types.
But of course the reverse (full arts to min arts) takes twice as many ambushes (maybe a lot more).
*Based upon my experience prior to the V-day update, which pretty much changed everything. |
| And how about my caravans strengh when i reach lvl 11 soon? Will they by again impposible to win for 40-50 ambushes? |
if you level up their strenght increases with 20% (or something close to that)
it will take 5-6 losses to compensate for that, but there are 40 different caravans.
So 220 times losing and on average, they will be on the same difficulty again |
