| Author | Knowledge and Spellpower gains |
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Battles with spells can be very entertaining.
I think it should be thought, at least in hunting, we can use more spells.
+1000
* I do not speak English, automatic translation. |
not possible that it will be only for hunts
if it can be i don't have any problems. |
Why won't you start telling us why +1 or +2 to Spellpower and Knowledge every 5th! CL would lead to any drastic changes to Wizards who generally got relatively high Knowledge and Spellpower to begin with.
So far you can provide 0 arguments just barking that Wizards are overpowerd which is a ridicously stupid claim. |
according to latest update in .ru
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1839034&page=135
1.yes we can scroll through ATB bar.
2.barbs racial ability changed from magic resistance to "preparing for attack".In this if a creature doesn't attacks it does an increased damage in the next turn.The damage is increased by 5%*barb racial.max.upto 50%.
3.and from lvl 9 to 17 lords troops have been increased except demons and wiz(not sure about wiz)
look at the 3rd one no more troop increment for Wiz & demon(admin thinks they are over powered)no matter what you are crying for wiz.
you are lucky coz barb lost there advantage against wiz |
You know what I am tired about? People who cannot argue in a meaningful manner throwing out some useless drivel and throwing their hate and ridicule in your face because they cannot stand the fact that people got different opinions than them and are even incapable to articulate them in a proper manner.
for Shagan: why are you getting so peeved just because everybody thinks your idea sucks? man up and take it on the chin.
As for my own personal thoughts, I feel that mage builds are perfectly well balanced in this game - in some cases they are slightly overpowered, I don't think we should be boosting wizards and other full mage variants. Giving other might builds a couple of knowledge points and a bit of spellpower sucks. They still have to invest talent points to get their magic. Everybody knows that 1 spellpower or knowledge carries more power than 1 attack or 1 defence hence why you can get fewer of them and artifacts are more expensive.
Imagine if you swapped all of your guild bponuses and racial bonuses out for spell power and knowledge, yeah you'd have some sweet spells but troops with 0 attack and defence - lol
From me it's a -1
And this post does not require follow up or 'polite raging' as a counter. |
and one more thing 1 spell power/knowledge is not equal to 1 attack/defence
spell/kno = 2ap
att/def = 1ap
now please close this thread. |
"for Shagan: why are you getting so peeved just because everybody thinks your idea sucks? man up and take it on the chin.
As for my own personal thoughts, I feel that mage builds are perfectly well balanced in this game - in some cases they are slightly overpowered, I don't think we should be boosting wizards and other full mage variants. Giving other might builds a couple of knowledge points and a bit of spellpower sucks. They still have to invest talent points to get their magic. Everybody knows that 1 spellpower or knowledge carries more power than 1 attack or 1 defence hence why you can get fewer of them and artifacts are more expensive.
Imagine if you swapped all of your guild bponuses and racial bonuses out for spell power and knowledge, yeah you'd have some sweet spells but troops with 0 attack and defence - lol
From me it's a -1
And this post does not require follow up or 'polite raging' as a counter."
You totally missed my points on several accounts.
1.) I did not ask for swapping out the boni which are already included or anything. I asked for a very slight increase of Spellpower and/or Knowledge
2.) Again the *op* argument without any backing up whatsoever.
Fact is that magic builds are a total minority and if not for wizards they would be extinct and if not for the silly hunt/merc bonus which does not exist in the original game wizards would totally suck there as well and very few if any would play them.
Still seems to be the best band aid fix whatsover.
3.) I'll take proper well thought out critism but crap like you and Nirwhatever post will be responded in the way fitting for the quality of argument presented.
Since neither you or Nirwhatever posted anything of an argument just throwing out that *Wiz is op lulz* and *Stop crying you kid* which is totally immature behaviour.
I tell you something, either limit yourself to something like:
"I do not like that idea -1" and then I'll take that as just an subjective opinion which isn't worth arguing further or if you think you can come up with something of an argument at least put some effort in it.
4.) This was not even supposed to be a buff solely for Wizards but for all factions
5.) Mage builds are powerful? Shall I really start to sum up how many might builds in comparison to magic builds exist on a per player basis? Shall I even make the effort to check this number with wizards excluded?
I'll take any bet it'd be something like 95%+ might builds.
If you think that is balanced then we can stop any discussions because it would be quite obvious that we had totally different ideas what "balance" is.
And that is not even my only point for that suggestion.
6.)What I see as "required" or not is up to me, not you.
7.) I bet if I'd post such a suggestion as demon or knight the reactions would be vastly different.
"and one more thing 1 spell power/knowledge is not equal to 1 attack/defence
spell/kno = 2ap
att/def = 1ap
now please close this thread."
Oh, a forum police guy. I like that kind thinking they got any authortiy while in reality they have 0 influence on the whole matter of closing a thread or not. Childish behaviour. |
Utterly hilarious Mister Shagan
consider this a subjective opinion which isn't worth arguing further
= P
imo you're just embarassing yourself |
Forgot to add 2 comments:
1.)Several players I know who play DE for example say that they would gladly trade
2.) Regarding the
"spell/kno = 2ap
att/def = 1ap"
argument:
This doesn't prove anything about balance, it's just a means so that magic arts which are incredibly epensive stay in check according to their avarage costs.
This is again a 2 edge sword trait since for certain fixed AP battles I can barely get in any notworthy spellpower or knowledge either draining me dry quickly or making my spells hit like wet noodles or something in between or even both in min art battles.
Or in other words people can get double as much attack and/or def than know/spellpower.
Knowledge and spellpower affect one unit only and does not profit further from certain stats like inititative, morale or luck.
Anyone with a clue knows that even the original game was more might biased than any HoMM version before. |
"Utterly hilarious Mister Shagan
consider this a subjective opinion which isn't worth arguing further
= P
imo you're just embarassing yourself"
Do you even understand what "subjective" means?
The only persons embarassing themselves are those who are incapable discussing soemthing they do not like in a civilized manner.
Congratulations on joining them. |
your the great one perhaps
no one better than u!
guys please don't comment in this thread,this guy will not understand
so don't waste your time on it
he only knows to argue and cry
he won't listen to anyone besides i don't have time to read his huge posts
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Judging from the first post alone [and that alone] one would get the idea that the OP just wanted to get some more stats for his faction. Yes, it was a selfish 'idea' from the beginning.
You say you want a civilized argument, yet every time someone has made a valid point against you you lashed out at them. Take Elven_Lord's post as an example. It was very well thought out and I'd welcome a post like that (even if it was a negative one) in an InS thread of my own. If you can't take honest criticism without having to counter aggressively, then why bother sharing your thoughts with others?
1.) I did not ask for swapping out the boni which are already included or anything. I asked for a very slight increase of Spellpower and/or Knowledge
Like I said before, this was a selfish idea on your part from the beginning. It's along the lines of ideas like [reset the Hunter Record list because those records are too hard to break] or something similar.
Like mentioned previously, there is a reason why fewer spell power/knowledge stats are given out as arts/other bonuses[without the obvious reason that while Attack/Defend is useful to ALL factions and all players, SP/Knowledge is useful only to some]. A single point in SP is better than a single point in Attack. I can only speak from my experience up to CL10, but a full magic hero has always had the advantage of me. Especially wizards. Magic DEs/Demons just don't have the tanks necessary to maintain a long drawn out spell battle. Wizards already have an awesome Hit N Run strategy to counter them running out of mana.
Also, you said that ALL factions would get the bonus. As a knight, this is completely useless for me. Unless I'm already magic, and not everyone wants to play that way. What would I do with a few stats in knowledge/SP when I'd need at the least an Advanced Level talent (14 talent points for me) for my spells to be useful?
The only persons embarrassing themselves are those who are incapable discussing something they do not like in a civilized manner.
Congratulations on joining them.
You do realize just how hypocritical that is? Oh wait...I guess you don't >.> |
@Switchblade
1.) This was never a selfish wish, this was a wish because I think it's quite boring that so few magic is being used in combat.
2.) This would benefit might builds a bit more than magic builds even because especially at higher levels and with high AP some +1/+2 bonus for spellpower and/or knowledge would barely make any difference.
3.) Main advantage for magic builds would be at low levels where they have trouble gaining any sufficient mana AND damage.
But low levels are meaningless anyway it'd just help them leveling a little bit faster.
4.) As a DE getting some extra Delays and
5.) Funny that you say it's useless for you as knight when I saw tons of knights today regulary using their holy spells and even some making use of darkness magic and getting level 2 spells and using them does require magic guild level 2 only.
6.) From the previous observation we can conclude that you are basing your opinion solely on YOUR playstyle while obviously other players do indeed have use of magic. So maybe you should limit your opinion on yourself and stop trying to speak for all knights.
7.) Point out which valid points were made beside that wizard is overpowered.
So far there has been none.
8.) I was not hypocritical. Impolite people do not deserve a polite treatment. People can easily change the tone of me if they treat me like they want to be treated.
Telling me I am a kid or that I should be banned or trying to belittle me will get a rude reply.
I have been patient and polite poster long enough in other forums and I am tired of it because its close to never fruitful people will just continue with their bad manners.
9.) I will not stop suggestion improvemts to magic builds until I see a decent population of it outside of the wizard population.
Anyone not seeing that this game is more might friendly for all but 1 faction is ignorant. |
| +50 many people have said this is stupid but why is it...if its so ridiculous then what about only wizards get this |
Why wizards choose magic build and others dont?
Just think, only wizards can do hunt/mg with magic build
Its not the lack of sp/knowledge
Wizards get extra magic damage against neutrals
Others cant do decent damage and light and dark magic mostly just support the might tactics
I have seen elves to use nature build at high levels, and they fought greatly, even when their magic talents are more expensive than wizard talents
SO STOP COMPLAINING!
And do you have some kind of anger management problem? |
And do you have some kind of anger management problem?
Yes he comes to see me on tuesdays for psych treatment. *whispers behind hand* they all just need a little love you know, take not notiice of him it's not his fault =P |
