| Author | Demon faction, Tipps and Tricks..... |
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following the outdated thread:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1901809 |
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=499513874
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=499348159
the same hunt
the first one with no min ap
any idea?
is it so hard?
i did few mistakes, but what do you believe? have i any chance? |
it's hard.
Try to keep small stacks of wolf and spawns in such a way that dragons hit each other out. :) Though, try to block your main stacks with smaller ones.
In your first battle your incend died -50% in the first move itself,try avoiding that. |
Also, in the second battle, when you took retal, you killed your own incends :P
I think it is possible with smart playing, for example, do a troop settlement with incends in the corner, and then move a spawn instead of gating to block the dragons: (I - incend, S - spawn, X - blank, D - dragon)
I X X X X X X X X X D D
X X S X X X X X X X D D
This way your incends are safe. It is even better if you can use a rock instead of a spawn.
Also, as mingles said, take retal in such a way that the dragons kill each other. If you don't know how draconic breath works, look here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1906390 |
Why did the fear attack never trigger?
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=499525936<=-1
It would save me from losing if it would trigger once or twice...
Does it have some hidden rule, when it triggers? |
| fear like any other "trigger" ability has a percentage chance of happening every attack..... to increase your chances of getting a trigger ability... get more luck or take a talent that gives you a higher chance for triggered abilities |
when horse hp is less than target hp, fear has a low chance to trigger even you choose soldier luck.
dont ever rely on fear in moster quest since the % trigger is too low. |
get more luck - this won't help.
Soldier's luck is the only thing that will help.
You were unlucky that it didn't trigger. On average, against a monster, expect it to trigger 1 out of 20 attacks (5% chance). It still wasn't too unlucky here, let's say you had 40 attacks with hell horse, then probability of no fear attack is 0.95^40 = 0.1285. |
Hmm...I found this:
If att HP >= tar HP, then
_Probability = 25% + 3% * (attHP/tarHP);
else
_Probability = 25% - 3% * (tarHP/attHP),
whence:
» attHP is the total leftover HP of the stack that's using the ability;
» tarHP is "-"-" of the target stack;
» Trigger probability does not exceed the bound of [5%;75%];
» The moments to calculate the probability differ depending on the ability type.
->For Stun and Knocking shot, the probability is calculated using HP's of stacks *before* the actual attack.
->For Knockback and Fear Attack, the calculation occurs *after* the attack and before target's retaliation.
» The only ability that can trigger on retaliation counterstrike is Knockback.
Soldier's luck increases the likehood to trigger creature's ability: a 2nd attempt is made, with same chance to trigger as 1st one. As such, if chance for ability to trigger in one attempt is in interval [0.05;0,75] then chance with two attempts belongs to interval [0.0975; 0.9375]
So, I have a minimum chance of 5% when the target has much more HP than my unit each hit....that's not much...
I won't rely on triggering in monsters quest again, I'll bring more AP to the fight...
thanks |
hmm... I was expecting the draconic breath to hurt only in strait line, as it was said here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1906390
but the breath did attack me diagonally, as you also can see here in their first moves:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=499541114<=-1
as I can see, I should have picked tactics in the battle instead of archery.. |
Against which opponent, type of battle do you use extensive gating from lvl11?
I am curious if anybody might build uses that and for what... |
most demons have 2 luck, that means extensive gating gives 20% extra gating.
But if you have fl7 you have 48% gating. With this talent it will become
48*1.2 = 57.6% gating. So NOT 48+20=68%. Therefor the talent is not that useful. Getting +10% damage is better than a tiny bit of extra gated troops.
Also in some battles you will not even gate so it has no use at all. |
@xakno:
Try to avoid putting your stacks next to each other even diagonal to avoid draconic breath. Also try to put single spawns as blockers to protect your other valuable stacks (dragons speed is 9 so they can reach any of your stacks) .. one of the possibilities is to either use tactics or simply advance the spawns to cover some blocks.
I've tried to locate a good battle to demonstrate those ideas .. I found this one, I was level 11 when did it .. I've used tactics, sacrificed my upper tier stacks to protect the others (horses and cave demons are large creatures, so they don't pass draconic breath), used incends to take retal against one of the dragon stacks, and moved my stacks around while avoiding putting them next to each other to avoid draconic breath:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=30096151 |
| why are demons so weak in duels :( can not survive shooter armies at this level. :/ |
| any suggestion for troop setup in minor tournament? thanks in advance |
As I have seen in some battles, draconic breath can hurt 2 large creatures at the same time...
for example here, where the green dragon and brillant unicorn is hit:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=499614124<=-1
because of the diagonal direction? |
because of the diagonal direction?
yes, they can hit 2 large stacks if the angle is right |
for akz:
The draconic breath in the battle you provided hit both the 9:15 and 8:14 squares, and since they belonged to the green dragon and the brilliant unicorn they were both hit. |
Thanks for the details, TheatreOfPain.
What do you suggest in this tournament, to use tactics or not to use it?
Should I gate in the first round or hit instantly with cerberi by losing them completely...these are my big question marks (I did 0 PvP since lvl10 until this). |
many thanks and from me for the advises
if the hunt shows again i will try to follow them |
