| Author | Summon phantom question |
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Currently I'm Necromancer.
Magic Guild level 3 building gives:
Nature and Darkness Magic schools: Summon phantom, Confusion, Weakness, Earthquake.
Basic Nature magic talent gives this:
Hero can learn level 3 nature magic school spells. All Nature spells efficiency is increased.
Question:
If I want to cast Summon phantom then I need both (Magic Guild level 3 building + Basic Nature magic talent) or just one of them is enough?
Expert Nature magic talent allows to learn lvl 5 spells, but I don't see any lvl 5 spells here:
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=31
So, maybe Summon phantom is actually lvl 4 spell then? I mean maybe I need Advanced Nature magic talent for that? |
| You need both. If you build the Magic Guild and do not have basic nature magic talent selected then the spells for level 3 nature magic will not be in your spell book during combat. The same goes for level 3 darkness spells as well. |
| The higher your Nature magic talent level you have selected lets you cast Summon phantom on higher tier troops. |
Expert Nature magic talent allows to learn lvl 5 spells, but I don't see any lvl 5 spells here:
lvl 5 spell in not yet available here. perhaps they will be introduced in future?
If I want to cast Summon phantom then I need both (Magic Guild level 3 building + Basic Nature magic talent) or just one of them is enough?
as answer above, you need both of them to cast in battle. |
| can you summon phantom with ghosts? |
can you summon phantom with ghosts?
you can summon phantom of ghost if you meet the requirement
Magic Guild level 3 building + Basic Nature magic talent |
Thanks for answers.
Kinda sucks that you need to be lvl 10 or higher for Summon phantom spell.
can you summon phantom with ghosts?
Yeah, I was curious about that too.
The description here
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=31
is confusing, because it seems that you can't cast Summon phantom spell on Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 creatures. |
is confusing, because it seems that you can't cast Summon phantom spell on Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 creatures.
that is wrong. you can summon tier 1~4 without basic nature. if you have basic nature magic, tier 5 with basic and tier 6 with advanced and tier 7 with expert.
but you need wisdom(sorcery sub talent) in order to cast summon phantom for tier 1 to 4 without basic nature magic |
summon phantom apply to any unit.
yet, it sitll need level 10 to cast; that's the min level for you to build MG3 to get the spells |
summon phantom apply to any unit.
so phantom works with black dragons? |
| yes if have expert talent |
so phantom works with black dragons?
Nope since DE's really suck at Nature Magic, it's not even in their talent wheel :P |
that is wrong. you can summon tier 1~4 without basic nature. if you have basic nature magic, tier 5 with basic and tier 6 with advanced and tier 7 with expert.
but you need wisdom(sorcery sub talent) in order to cast summon phantom for tier 1 to 4 without basic nature magic
My statement is not wrong (about information being confusing there).
Moreover, the information here
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=31
about Summon phantom is actually wrong.
It says about Summon phantom:
No talent: Tier 4 creatures
Basic talent: Tier 5 creatures
Advanced talent: Tier 6 creatures
Expert talent: Tier 7 creatures
But it should say this:
No talent: Tier 1~4 creatures
Basic talent: Tier 5 creatures
Advanced talent: Tier 6 creatures
Expert talent: Tier 7 creatures |
From the spell description -
Nature magic talent level influences the maximal tier of creatures that can be duplicated.
So it essentially does say that it covers levels from 1 to 3. The implied minimum is obviously 1.
Have Fun
Grunge |
Good point Grunge, you proved that the info is not wrong, my bad.
But, it is still confusing (just adding two symbols there 1~ would completely solve the problem, it would be no confusion). |
Or better this way:
Max Tier 4 creatures
Max Tier 5 creatures
Max Tier 6 creatures
Max Tier 7 creatures |
No talent: Tier 1~4 creatures
Basic talent: Tier 5 creatures
Advanced talent: Tier 6 creatures
Expert talent: Tier 7 creatures
If you dont have at least basic nature magic talent then you wont see the summon phantom spell in book during combat so won't be able to summon anything (for Elf/Necro at least). Mages have a different talent they can use which lets them cast without basic nature. |
so phantom works with black dragons?
Nope since DE's really suck at Nature Magic, it's not even in their talent wheel :P
Think about ST, u are necro with nature magic and u receive black dragons from an orb.. |
| If you dont have at least basic nature magic talent then you wont see the summon phantom spell in book <-- correction: Necro can also use the wisdom talent instead of nature magic to add summon phantom to battle spell book (thanks hpsim) though I doubt many would go this route. |
