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Well,I like this idea.
If our kingdom or city is attacked and the kings or administrators are not protecting us,will we just sit idly and let them kill us?No we will fight ourselves.The same is here,till admins create some event why don't we organize something in mean time? | Seeing atleast some positive response, this idea can be taken forward. But there are some things to be considered.
Should all these elected members be placed in a clan for easy governance? They ideally should be but where will we find a clan for this purpose? Registering a clan is not an option because of the huge cost and the time it takes to be accepted by admins. | #61 : altough i understand what he means, but the way he is saying it feels like being a rebellion.
The olny thing here i don't understand is what are we getting here with this democracy thing that Vlaer is proposing that we don't have, already? the answer is surely not using the word "admins"; since we are playing and having constant PVP battles. and players inside the clans are having some custom event like things sometimes. I feel, and i may be wrong, that the vlaer idea is trying to do everything without a military clan and with some income. but please tell me if it is not that and support it too. | | democracy is inefficient cause even drug-dealers and pedobears have impact on society's choice | for SV22:
So what you are saying is anyone who wants reform in this game, anyone who thinks that we should organize a team to provide more events to the players is a rebel? What made you think I am rebellious? If you can let me know that, I could clarify.
Yes, you are right, clans have their own set of activities, and so do MCs and also, the MCC provides events sometimes to the MC members. Now what about a tournament that can integrate the whole server? Since admin activity is low here, we aren't getting any! So how is it bad to have broad based events which cover up entire strata of this game's society and is not limited to a particular clan or a group of clans?
I feel, and i may be wrong, that the vlaer idea is trying to do everything without a military clan and with some income.
That is absolutely wrong. My idea is to integrate the whole server as one and to provide an event on a massive basis. And income? This is a non-profit organization. If it gets income in any way, all of it will be used to fund prizes for winners of an event.
democracy is inefficient cause even drug-dealers and pedobears have impact on society's choice
so what do you want? Communism? Monarchy? Democracy is the best option...why? Because here, people get to at least decide who shall rule them. | For SV22
Its not a rebellion.How can we raise a rebellion in a game?Its a game and its meant to be fun.There is nothing rebellious in just trying to make it more fun. | Take it easy vlaer. you missed the number at top of my post:
#61 : altough i understand what he means, but the way he is saying it feels like being a rebellion.
the number means it is a response to what he said. not what you said.
The Idea which you are going towards is more like this(a step by step method): we can give a tournament, we can decide what to do, we will have a democracy here which i had a feeling that it is leading to We must have the game.
I want to say(as many has said before me) the process you are moving towards will lead to some events which players handle(as they are already doing) and i support that. but i don't know why i feel that it is also with the purpose off decreasing the value of a military clan. probably i am wrong but that is a feeling and you know how it affects everything.
As to your question of so what do you want?. Don't you think you are playing with the words. All the systems you have mentioned to all of us and we know what you mean. The truth to what you say is: A website is always in the hand of the owner(admin) and you can never change anything which he does not like so what you say is having a democracy which is ruled by one person. Don't play with the words. If You want to be able to organize events and you are proposing all players to vote on it and enter it; then it is good but it has been the game purpose already and you are not changing that. You are promoting and trying to push the players which i have found a noble purpose. | | *All the systems you have mentioned is known to all of us ... | I want to say(as many has said before me) the process you are moving towards will lead to some events which players handle(as they are already doing) and i support that. but i don't know why i feel that it is also with the purpose off decreasing the value of a military clan. probably i am wrong but that is a feeling and you know how it affects everything.
Now let me ask you a question - Do players who don't belong to an MC don't have to right to get good events? Its almost like - If you want to enjoy the game, you need to join an MC. Remember that it is often not in one's budget or i none's liking to join an MC paying 15k or more. Rather, you tell me this - 'What is the problem in having an organization (democratic one) which could very easily give events in admin's absence?' I don't feel there is any negative impact that such an organization will have. Anyhow, trying it out once will surely not impact the society negatively. Then why not approve it? | -1
Don't bring politics into game too | | C'mon guys, just make me understand - Where is politics here? Dirty politics comes into play when people get power over the others. If this was an election to choose the admins, politics would surely come into play, but here, the elected representatives are merely event organizers, nothing else! | Remember that it is often not in one's budget or i none's liking to join an MC paying 15k or more.
It is like if a person can a Formula 1 contest. many may not have the budget to use the more luxurious ones. either they work towards it or not it's their own choice. but what is their difference with me who have not find any money problems in this game without buying a single diamond. This game needs patience and good relations to have a perfect experience(I and many others have lots of PVP plays without the interclan communications but just through the real realtions which have started in this game, just like real world).
'What is the problem in having an organization (democratic one) which could very easily give events in admin's absence?'
A simple question regarding your question? Would you do it if this site was yours? wouldn't you have a purpose behind this(commercially)?
as of the whole topic purpose: what is the difference of what you purpose with a clan(or a group of clans)? because if a player can not join a simple clan which the entry is 500 gold i will believe he surely can not enter any events. | A simple question regarding your question? Would you do it if this site was yours? wouldn't you have a purpose behind this(commercially)?
Why not? I am not asking for a democracy to elect the admins...no, I am not. I am rather asking to have a democratic group to provide events in admin absence, which I would very well have done if I was the owner of this game, because if such an institution was in place, people will not be unhappy even if admins are unable to visit the server for some time.
as of the whole topic purpose: what is the difference of what you purpose with a clan(or a group of clans)? because if a player can not join a simple clan which the entry is 500 gold i will believe he surely can not enter any events.
Not all simple clans provide events. Most events are provided by MCs. And as I said, this is to unite people from everywhere, irrespective of clans they belong to. Tell me, how many regular clans are there which very actively provides events, I mean not just those weekly hunts, MGs, Enroll activities, etc. Leave that, how many clans out of 650 or so have an active clan leader? | You didn't answer my second question properly, i rephrase:what would be the differese of these two:
A:you start 1 or more clans and start the events now(active events for clan member which in your clan or clans are all players)
B:what you are proposing here | This already turning into a parliament :D
for Vlaer:
Tell me 1 thing do u think people will b interested in same boring events which u give them?What new event u can give them??
a hallowin pumpkin / A packmaster event / rebel event -- what?? Tell me plz Can u give this..
The answer is a big NO!! Bcoz this can b given only by admins and no one else.
Yews U can give tavern tourney,PVP ,hunt quest,LG quest But I think this all 1 can enjoy presently [Without even being a MC member :p ]
Also No medal or shiny achievement for this "So Called" EVENTs
So I suggest plz try to find some new event ideas then people may get interested. | Vlaer,
monarchy is not dictatorship regime as many picture it. Usually new king is ellected by the most important people in the country, since they have experience in rulling - they can choose good candidate and since there are several of them, the king would be unaffected by their undercver play, which affect politicians in democratic countries. | You didn't answer my second question properly, i rephrase:what would be the differese of these two:
A:you start 1 or more clans and start the events now(active events for clan member which in your clan or clans are all players)
B:what you are proposing here
If I understand your question correctly, your idea about this is completely wrong. Having all people in Lordswm to join a clan is a very insane idea first of all. Secondly, this is precisely what I am trying to propose here - to remove the barrier of players being a part of several different clans. This organization is a one stop destination for all players of the game to get access to events in absence of admins. And by the way, asking people to join a clan and telling them there will be events is prone to be way less successful than starting a tournament without asking them to join any clan. If I still haven't understood your question correctly, either PM me so that I can explain properly or write here.
Yews U can give tavern tourney,PVP ,hunt quest,LG quest But I think this all 1 can enjoy presently [Without even being a MC member :p ]
You cannot enjoy a tournament by yourself. A tournament will be one with loads of players, and with winners. There is a lot of difference between having a tournament and playing GBs, Duels, etc. yourself. Why do people participate in Minor tournaments? They could rather be well off doing Duels, why go for Minor tournaments?
So I suggest plz try to find some new event ideas then people may get interested.
Some innovative ways could be found out by the elected representatives.
monarchy is not dictatorship regime as many picture it. Usually new king is ellected by the most important people in the country, since they have experience in rulling - they can choose good candidate and since there are several of them, the king would be unaffected by their undercver play, which affect politicians in democratic countries.
This is completely wrong thinking. Though this is not a place for real life discussion, tell me at least one country where people are continuously choosing a ruler to rule for the rest of his life? (And here, by people choosing the leader, I mean through the consent of all people in the country not a selected few). In most of the cases, the ruler is succeeded by his son. Yes, the new king is the most important person, but he may not be fair and just. You can never guarantee what kind of steps will he take, will he be just to all sections of the society or not. | - 1
Dont look for ways to get popular.
ANd please dont bring politics into game.
Your previous ideas were good.But implement such things in your clan. | Then as you say: you want to be an admin or co-Admin since you want to give an event which all players participate. in this game the only means off mass commuincation other than clan-mails and forum is through the game administration. otherwise your only players are the forum readers and i can easily say that lots of the players do not get inside the forum at all but they do get inside a clan.
I completly agree with Konan_D that nothing without a change of the game-code can be given which makes all players to join.
Most of us want to help the game in anyway and some of us also have good resources for even having a new server up and running(and have tried to contact the admins for this). and it seems like your idea is not shaped enough since you say:
Why do people participate in Minor tournaments?
it is completly unsupportive of what you are saying since the reason is because it is different than the normal game process(PVP is a game process) and there is a good prize and meaning. but when we are talking about Events the minor tournament is not an event. event has a perfect change in it. a story, and code-change, new items effects and ...
I appreciate your tries for this but if a player wants to reach level 15 without playing 2 days or not spending a single gold, then he does not deserve the game. so, if a player wants extra fun he has to spend something like joining a clan or a warclan. exaclty like real world, if you want something you have to work for it. | Dont look for ways to get popular.
ANd please dont bring politics into game.
Your previous ideas were good.But implement such things in your clan.
C;mon, why doesn;t this thing get into your brain? Everytime I say something, why does it always have to be to gain popularity?
And someone, for god's sake, please tell me how will this bring politics into the game. I'm tired of hearing this comment again and again without any kind of justification.
Then as you say: you want to be an admin or co-Admin since you want to give an event which all players participate. in this game the only means off mass commuincation other than clan-mails and forum is through the game administration. otherwise your only players are the forum readers and i can easily say that lots of the players do not get inside the forum at all but they do get inside a clan.
You are completely wrong. I'll tell you some simple ways to publicize this idea:
1. Through the forum as you said.
2. Asking all clan leaders to send 1 clan mail regarding this agenda (should cover many players).
3. Send a Private Mail regarding this to as much players as one can, without repeating the PM again and again to a single person.
you want to be an admin or co-Admin
Who said so? It is not the only way to do such a thing.
I completly agree with Konan_D that nothing without a change of the game-code can be given which makes all players to join.
I don't. We can make a difference, other than sitting all day long and complaining about the admins.
it is completly unsupportive of what you are saying since the reason is because it is different than the normal game process(PVP is a game process) and there is a good prize and meaning. but when we are talking about Events the minor tournament is not an event. event has a perfect change in it. a story, and code-change, new items effects and ...
Yes, precisely. I just wanted to indicate that such a simple thing is being widely participated in by everybody. So it means events are not 100% necessary to increase server activity, a good organized PvP event sure is.
I appreciate your tries for this but if a player wants to reach level 15 without playing 2 days or not spending a single gold, then he does not deserve the game. so, if a player wants extra fun he has to spend something like joining a clan or a warclan. exaclty like real world, if you want something you have to work for it.
And if a player doesn't want to look into the forums just to see if there is anything new going on, then he/she doesn't deserve to play this game. If you want something, you should do something.
Alright, let me ask you a simple question - What would you do to make this game more interesting in admin absence WITHOUT asking every single person to join a clan? |
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