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Unfortunately, today I have very less time on my hands so have to do this fast, so I'll not go in depth into this concept.
What I suggest is an institution (similar to MCC) fully democratic in nature. This is what I propose.
Anyone in Lordswm can stand for election to this organization. The elections shall happen for one week (including voting and counting process) and the elected representatives shall serve a term of 1 month. Contestants are free to form parties, since parties can help muster more public support.
Now, one candidate from each Combat Level shall be elected into this organization. A person from a particular combat level can vote for any one of the candidates of his/her combat level (from level 5-15). This elected representative shall look after the interests of players of that particular combat level. Now, all the elected candidates shall have an internal election to elect the president within the organization for that month. Now, he shall be the one responsible to provide events to the players for that particular month. He will also supervise the activities conducted by other elected members for the combat level they were elected for.
During this term of 1 month, the elected members cannot be changed. The president can be the only one changed and that required a minimum of 3/4th majority within the organization. This will ensure that important events aren't withheld. This organization will be accountable to the people as it is the people who will elect them the next month.
Now, what will this organization do? This organization will organize events like combats, tavern games, fan art contests for instance spanning the period of 1 month. How they wish to make these will fully depend on the elected members, but they have to remember that their actions will decide whether they'll be elected the next month. Also, prizes could be given to the participants from the organization's treasury (except combat tournaments). Now how to get the funds for the treasury will depend on how the president decides to raise it. It could be done by voluntary donations, or through joining fee for the tournaments.
This will be a good activity for Lordswm players in this inactive server. Actually, this is not something that the Admins can provide but players can do themselves. I wanted to get some Ideas and Suggestions, bouquets and brickbats before this idea is taken forward with a definitive structure. I was planning to write why should such an organization be there when we have the MCC, but I have got less time now. If someone has the query, I'll clarify it.
Also, I am expecting many question like - 'how will we ensure a fair election?', or 'how will this help?' Please put up all your questions here, and I'll answer them as soon as I can. | | I like the idea. | | I support it. | What's the purpose to have a duplicate org to the MCC?
joining fee for the tournaments
That's illegal without official approval. | joining fee for the tournaments
3.22. Any custom combat tournaments with a prize reward and/or a participation fee are forbidden.
Custom card game tournaments are allowed.
As far as this rule goes, I guess it extends to only combat tournament. Corect me if I am wrong.
What's the purpose to have a duplicate org to the MCC?
I was waiting for someone to ask this question :p
First of all, let me make it very clear that MCC is a very useful and much needed organization and I am in no way questioning its functioning, but I feel there is a need for a parallel organization for the following reasons:
1. MCC does not represent the interest of the community as a whole. First of all, MCC only represents the interests of MC members, the others are completely devoid from the benefits of its functioning. This makes it compulsory for a person to join a MC to enjoy their events and activities.
2. Though having a 100% fair internal democracy, MCC is not completely democratic. Now, I am sure many will ask me the question - 'How and Why?' MCC does not even represent the interest of members within an MC. The representatives sent to the MCC by each MC is appointed solely by the clan leader and his/her council (with an exception of some clans about which I don't know who hold internal elections for the same). Thus, the MCC representatives do not always represent the interests of even the MCC members democratically.
3. Due to voting on each and every matter, it is very tough to pass any resolution or any event. For starting each event, a complete voting process has to be undergone and getting a majority is not a very easy task. Just take the case of the current tournament which was suspended. In this case since a council is elected for a month and it has a president who will stay for one complete month, he/she can freely organize events without any kind of hindrance and will ensure that events are successfully made and executed. Some might argue that this may lead to haste decisions, but I'll then say that 1 month is not a very long period and the leader can easily be overthrown in the next elections. Yes, this kind of voting is necessary for MCC since it is an official clan but it will slow down the process of giving any kind of events regularly to the players. But this organization will need commitment from the leaders as they'll have to undergo elections if they need to secure their next term. | | [Post deleted by moderator BrownBear // wrong place for opinions abut RL political situation] | | [Post deleted by moderator BrownBear // wrong place for opinions abut RL political situation] | | Actually this is not a bad idea at all. This will give us all something to do when there are no events present also this way at least some fun is guaranteed without any help from the admins plus having one for each level will allow people to focus on the matters concerning his or her specific level and thus there will be no power sharing issues too and lastly if this thing moves forward and there is a democracy made and events are held by it no one can rise up to speak and say that they are doing this for popularity(I am in no way meaning to offend the person who said it). | for greatmagenish: You have exactly got my point of view :p
When I sit on my PC next time I will make some things more clear. And if players support this we could very well take this idea forward and make it functional. | | +1 i think its great , you have to be one to know one | I have got some time, so I'll go on clearing everything one at a time.
The main issue here will be free and fair elections. Free is ok, but how will be assure that the elections are fair?
This is how it can be done. EC (Election Commission) members will constitute those players who will be responsible for counting, tallying of votes and declaration of the results and will be completely independent of the parent organization and will be active only during the election process. This EC will consist of 4-6 members. Out of them, one member will be the Chief EC, whose task will be mainly to collect the votes and to supervise the functioning of the EC.
All voters will send their votes to the Chief EC and post in an appropriate forum thread made for the voting purpose that they have voted. Now this Chief EC will forward his PM to the other 3-5 fellow EC members. These EC members will continually check the forum thread to verify that the Chief EC has actually forwarded them the votes of all voters. Each EC member will independently count the votes and declare the results. In case of a disagreement in the results, re-counting will take place. | | +1 | Who will be the in-charge of the EC
Anyone in Lordswm can stand for election to this organization.
This way there can be an extreme situation where everybody would stand for elections and vote themselves.(if it goes according to UAF)
So I think there should be some limitations to it.
And bieng a bit frank,
Bro how the heck are u gonna convince the aristocrats to change into democracy :P As you know: MCC does not even represent the interest of members within an MC | | for Pankaj_Kalra21: Good questions. I will answer them once I sit on my PC. Currently on my smartphone. | 3. Due to voting on each and every matter, it is very tough to pass any resolution or any event
Doesn't this new org suffer the same issue? If not more so since monthly elections need to be held and then all the elected officials need to agree before putting anything into motion. | Good idea to give some fun to the people who are not member of a mc
so +1 | Yes, now I am back and I see some really interesting queries here.
First, I'll start with the one posted by Pankaj_Kalra21 in post #13.
Who will be the in-charge of the EC
Whoever is the EC, it doesn't matter, because see the way in which the voting process is conducted. There is no way around to fool the system. Or we could hold one time elections to that also.
This way there can be an extreme situation where everybody would stand for elections and vote themselves.(if it goes according to UAF)
I guarantee that this case will not happen. Do you see that in real life? No, it won't. Rather, I feel we will run short of contestants. Anyways, if such a thing is bound to happen anyhow, we could do it this way. All participants contesting in the elections must deposit some security fee to the EC. If they are not able to muster at least a given minimum % of the total votes, the security sum will not be returned back to them. This way, only those who think can win will only participate.
Bro how the heck are u gonna convince the aristocrats to change into democracy :P As you know: MCC does not even represent the interest of members within an MC
I am not asking any aristocrats to change into democracy. No way. I am not asking to change the game itself. Only what I am asking is a democratic institution within the premises and boundaries of this aristocratic world. | 3. Due to voting on each and every matter, it is very tough to pass any resolution or any event
Doesn't this new org suffer the same issue? If not more so since monthly elections need to be held and then all the elected officials need to agree before putting anything into motion.
I guess I should have cleared this up earlier itself. No, this organization does not face the same problem. Let me explain why.
Once the representatives for each level are elected, they will internally hold a voting process to select a president. Now, all these level specific leaders are allowed to conduct any kind of level specific activities without any hindrance. For instance a level 9 representative can actively look after CG battle organization for that particular level without any kind of hindrance. But when organizing events for multiple levels come into play, the president becomes largely responsible. For any tournament spanning many levels, the president will have the final power to decide. Whatever the voting results may be, he has a kind of veto power (but here, he can say either yes, or no). So for a tournament for all levels, the council will have a discussion but whatever the result of the discussion may be, the president is free to decide what to do. Now, some may feel this becomes aristocracy. No, it doesn't. Unlike the MCC, this organization has the duty to make all its internal affairs public as it is a democratic institution. So whenever a voting takes place, the leaders of a particular level can tell the public that I had put forward this event but the president denied to do it, and so can the president defend his actions. So when the next elections take place (in a month which is not a very long period), the people can overthrow the president for not doing anything good. If any queries, I'll clear them out :p | | Need more of your support to turn this idea into a reality. | #18
I still don't see the difference. Elections still need to be held. And events for multiple levels would still need to be organized by the representatives + president. All this sounds awfully like the current system.
Only thing that sounds different is how this would be more like a democracy and thus includes even non-MC members.
Also I'm not sure why this is in I&S. Doesn't seem like the admins need to do anything. A player can start organizing this right away. |
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