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| UN finally got, what was missing, some morale, It's making the troops glass like, but there got a full power punch :) |
61# I like this Post,good view :P
I only fear it may kill Full Nature UN.
Even with the new Utility of Firewall with Talent,after several raises HP drops.
I'll play Tournament and check how it goes. |
Without hero bump it's hard to get actually to punch and raise, and since raise now goes with ATB shift it's just better to raise.
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Or even Wasp Swarm as a Stun to help allies :S
ark of nature is really powerfull...it works like having a 4x10 weapon
You gotta have 10 SP though to have the 40%, which you gotta remove from Defence or maybe Attack.
Aswell as the 10 points into Kn for Mana, which makes it hard to have "good stats", forces you to pick Erudition aswell.
Its now same decrease as of hero's.
Atheros means you wouldnt wanna raise with Lich just to make unit turn jump, since it would be such a waste on unit's HP.
If you wanna raise (To heal, or just to bump, whatever your intention is), better use Hero to heal well, otherwise HP drop not worth just to Bump.
I dont know, I feel like UN players will have to take 1 hour in front of Talent wheel to figure out a build.
There is "Potential" to succeed blatantly in Mixed T/CG, but it'll be hard to have good Stats if you're willing to get Mark of Nature Dmg, + offensive/luck talents, + good def/atk stats, while still putting points into SP and Kn.
PS: I've seen UNs without Nature talents (Meaning no Raise), lol. Only with offensive/Luck talents.
What are they thinking?? :P
PS2: as I said, I hope they didnt kill Full Nature UN with the HP drop :((
Unit Initiative Bump is actually useless for Mage UN. |
Confirmed, Full Nature UN is "Dead" now, with no hero Bump and Hp drop.
Won a Mixed Tourney battle, but because I got carried hard by the Lv 22.
Time to practice melee/offensive UN. |
| https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=887993636 |
| 2 hrs 36 min left. |
| Sorry wrong group. |
Wow man, that -17 liz hit was disgusting.
I'm surprised he won without mana and nature talents in hero for raise.
he'd probably lose to charmer elves.
He plays UN like a normal might rush faction. without raise, interesting.
hmmm ...
I'd rather have good raise tho.
Icekyma is good I admit |
| he does use his demiliches and raising. WIth that much offense and luck it is enough to kill an opponent. Maybe things would be different with charmer for sure but i doubt it is a weak build. |
those pure offense suicidal UN is something abnormal but can not be underestimated, one more example:
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=885275732
this guy lost most of his battles but surprisingly win this de(who is a gold medalist and nearly unbeatable at his level).
I would use a moderate build:
talent: full nature branch+punch dominate, intellect, the rest to offense.
attribute: 6p(with dominate of life it is 10p which max the punch effect) 6k(mostly come from artifacts), the rest to attack.
recruits similar with Icekyma.
this build would be not that "suicidal" at the cost of 2 or 3 offense(luck) talent and a bit defense(come from artifacts), but it become far more endurance. |
| dominate of punch is not essential, in fact you would not have chance to use it in most times, but sometimes(against slow defensive build) it would be very useful. |
| Its important to have luck too, i think that is what allowed icekyma to kill me. Offense alone wouldn't be enough because really as you can see that dragons and vampires don't really hit very hard even with all the attack. Now you could squander that valuable offense and fortune to get raising and all, but i don't think that's what the new UN absolutely needs. |
I think the tricky thing with this UN is getting a build which has a chance against all factions. You can definately have a build that has a good chance against squishy factions, but no chance against defensive. I think you can probably set one up that will do well against defensive factions. The trick is to have one with a chance against all - which is about careful judgement of where you compromise.
Since I don;t have sufficient necro buildings I won;t try and find out where that balance is, I just hope it is somewhere which means I then have a chance (whereas against the build good against flimsy I do not have much of a chance) |
Not sure if this is new or not.
Just went to do a mercenary guild with my mirror equipped (rental one).
Next to the start battle button there was an extra one with auto battle. This then meant I avoided the settlement etc situation, it just took 3 second to process what would happen and gave me the win :)
Shame that wasn;t an option (at least not that I saw) when it was auto during the event. |
Same option available with hunts when mirror equipped.
Mirror = pay to farm option |
Next to the start battle button there was an extra one with auto battle. This then meant I avoided the settlement etc situation, it just took 3 second to process what would happen and gave me the win :)
Tried this too, the autobattle button is quite ridiculous, you don't even need to bother to glance at the battle itself :)
Makes me want to buy a good-looking high-dura mirror for the MG quests... |
Same, I just worked out my numbers
I have a 72 dura mirror from the even - resale value on the order of 100k
I could sell it and grind the mercs
Alternatively I have 1243 battles to do to get MG8 and the next stat rise on that
Using my mirror this will take 22 or so repairs at a cost per battle of 243 gold. Though then I am down 100k. If I include this cost into the CPB then it is 323.
Add on the cost of gear - lets say min AP and it will cost me 500 gold or so per auto battled merc quest. Reward will be lets say 120 gold average direct then add element cost.
In total therefore I think I can auto battle merc quests till MG8 at around cost neutral. However if I grind them out manually I would be approximnately 400k better off by the time I finished
What is the cost of convenience? Still not sure |
I would use a moderate build:
talent: full nature branch+punch dominate, intellect, the rest to offense.
I think the tricky thing with this UN is getting a build which has a chance against all factions.
Exactly. I agree with these. |
| Is UN "Very strong" against Chaos chasters at all now after the HP penalty reduction removal anymore? |
for Lord MilesTeg:
I rather spend 1 minute of my life and save gold for mirror use :)
but there are soem quests that could be god for mirror usage - conspirators, especially higher levels. |
