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| Author | The Silent Changes to Survival Tournament: Experiment or Permanent? |
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for Ignis aurum probat:
they just added this, it was visible before | | I cant see turneys battles as before: For example in this battle log: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_warlog.php?id=1326722 this battle: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=1055328603 Or its opened when someone fighting? | | Oh well cant see other replays anymore. Atleast they removed those stupid hg points for winners and nothing for not winners. | | *losers | Well, played it twice.
Different tournament. I like the old one.
For admins:
1st: I think you can create two survival tournaments. Classic and New.
2nd: The idea of the tournament is that you use your own wits to beat the opponents instead of copycat someone else. at least now, the tournaments results are concealed. | | I like it. I never bothered with survival tournament before because I didnt have the time or patience. I played a few quick battles had fun and got good faction skill ration. For me its all gain. I never did survival tourney before and now I have something else I can do that is fresh and doesnt take super long. | As for survival tournament, it is and always has to be meant as a endless stream of crap thrown at you and you have to get through it as far as you can go.
For this new abomination i can clearly say as unholy necro, that i was through it and had no losses whatsoever. Did have few resurrections, but only at the end as cosmetic surgery to have 100% score boost.
For other races it might be challenge, but for necros it will be a laugh. I can clearly say now that if ill see all unholy necros having same score in the end, i will not be surprised.
I played one game as standart necro and got smashed at the end.
So as for this format of this 284th survival tournament BIG THUMBS DOWN ( even if it would be victorious tournament for me ) | The later hours isn't so bad, although I do enjoy being able to play on what for me is a Sunday afternoon. Waiting 'til late at night or Monday seems interminable. But that's just me
That is because, on previous STs, Sunday - Sunday; If you play on last day using potion of skill, your potion is still active when ST comes on next Sunday. So 1 PoS take you through 2 STs.
I always plays like this since I do multi faction STs.
With this new STs, there are 9 tries, so potential chance of playing with all 9 factions.
So now 1 time PoS won't allow you to play 2 STs, which is actually a good update I think. No more PoS loophole ;) | for PooDelivery:
If you raise stacks you get a lower hp amount and lower score. Let’s wait and see the final standings before we evaluate the new scoring system. | | Do the allies you get from one of them bubbles count towards the army %? I'm assuming gated creatures don't get counted. | | To Ignis: I presume they do. The best score i got was when i popped the bubble with them and kept them alive. | | [Post deleted by moderator Magier // And no one cares // flood] | | I like it because it gets 45parts of uncommon troops with just min ap(or low arts for some cases) and 5-10 mins per fight | for TraceFFF:
Dude all this nonsense about a ton of "skill", it's just skill the first couple of times, then just tremendously repetitive and tiring grinding for hours. It also is winner (top 10%, which is only 1st place for <20 players) take all, so nobody plays.
Only a couple of people have so much time for grinding, which ruins the tourney for majority as there's no point in playing. Look at this player's wins:
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=3338394
I wanted to try ST so I played 3 times, came 2nd by a small margin once then 1st beating the above player twice. Also, I had no DU vs his DU and fsl 11 vs his fsl 12, so a big disadvantage. But I didn't continue because it took me several hours of what became boring grinding after the few times.
So my point is, winning ST's doesn't take a mind-blowing genius, but someone who has a lot of time for grinding the exact same strategy week after week. The problem is ST became a big gold source for some and complete pointless for >95% of players. This format is better overall.
PS: I do find the old ST quite elegant though, but when it's on a weekly basis it's just grinding the same one strategy. | then just tremendously repetitive and tiring grinding for hours
Yes for 'elves'
Good luck doing that in DE or barbarian. Without skill or experience in those faction you can no nada.
Elf is the only luck dependent faction and worst for me, and the only faction which doesnt need 'skill' but need 'luck' to win. Example - phantom misses, luck befalls, crtical befalls.
Also you dont need much shifts, and atb holes, since there are so many shooters, and you just rely on luck.
So this is not a nonsense, try playing from other factions then comment, i'll wait.
Also 1 strategy is not at all applicable for all factions.
If you think that, good luck living in fairy world.
o my point is, winning ST's doesn't take a mind-blowing genius
I will just request you to once see DE's play.. DE are most tactical faction in ST with troop shifts in almost every wave, so liz can hit multiple targets. Ofcourse its not some genius of a move, but managing that and at the same time avoiding all lightning towers turns, is a skill, which is not easy to master.
Same goes for tribals, you can not WAIT.
And then barbarian.. another very fun and tactical faction.
Skill required is least in elf ST.
The problem is ST became a big gold source for some and complete pointless for >95% of players.
That is 100% true.
So yes overall I also agree new change is good, since they removed battle review now aswell
But you saying ST doesnt needed skill is complete nonsense
Just try with other factions and then comment. | for TraceFFF:
I didn't say it doesn't need skill, but what I'm saying is it's only skill the first few times when you are still learning common tactics of the faction. Then it's just the same strategy again and again. I have played with barb and DE before (although at lower levels), it holds for every faction I've tried and watched winners' battles in.
Also 1 strategy is not at all applicable for all factions.
If you think that, good luck living in fairy world.
You seem to be throwing unnecessary aggression almost after every statement. But no, I'm talking about one strategy for each faction, obviously elf plays different from DE, but once you have gotten used to a faction it's just rinse and repeat with it.
Elf is the only luck dependent faction and worst for me, and the only faction which doesnt need 'skill' but need 'luck' to win. Example - phantom misses, luck befalls, crtical befalls.
Also you dont need much shifts, and atb holes, since there are so many shooters, and you just rely on luck.
Skill required is least in elf ST.
That's just blatant ignorance lol. I checked and you last won elf ST in lev 10 and your last top 3 was lev 12 where you scored 100k lower than 1st place.
Watch either my or 2nd place's battles in my last played ST:
https://www.lordswm.com/tournaments_hist.php?tour=341&tid=5132&race=4
Literally none of what you said applies in our battles, it has all aspect of what you define "skill". Manipulating atb, saving shots, manipulating next wave's entering position so sprites get double hit, etc.
I think you are misunderstanding me. Obviously there are technical skills you need to win ST's. However, once you learn them by watching winners' battles and playing yourself, there's nothing new at all. There are players like the 2nd place in the above tourney who have 100+ medals with the same strategy. Watch any of his 100 medal wins, I can assure you it's the same strategy. Also I suppose the fact that this guy have consistently been winning elf ST's for literally years makes it clear enough that it's not by luck.
So yes overall I also agree new change is good, since they removed battle review now aswell
Yeah battle review was stupid lol, I'm glad they removed it too. | | Its clear to see that most player base are fed up with constant grind in every aspect of game. I mys3lf dont play ST bcs its pure grind and i dont have patience to spend that much playing against AI | dont
I meant i didnt. But now i dont have time to test new format. If battles take less time its flat out win. | | In my opinion, ST is more acessible in this way. Good change! =) | for randomr1:
What you says makes no sense.
Its quite clear you're a casual ST player, and neither you have any experience in playing it. Just 6 medals with single faction.
And im assuming this has been your main chracter since always, which is not my case. I have been playing STs since 10+ years, not playing, winning.
Anyways lets leave that aside. You might have different perspective, and so do I, so lets just leave that to it. :) |
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