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for virtual_vitrea:
good job | | LOL virtual ::P | clearly a dwarf with a charmer elf was a good combo!
It's always the same story with charmers or dwarves monopolizing top rankings. | It's always the same story with charmers or dwarves monopolizing top rankings.
Like when we have the pirate events and the top rankings are DD + HK? Or double HK?
And I don't think they dominated the top rankings when it came to the 3 round event we had recently.. | And I don't think they dominated the top rankings when it came to the 3 round event we had recently..
I'm talking generally, not just 2v2.
In the 3 rounds they started as charmers to farm points until HK had enough ini for the sharpshooters to move before ennemy range, then they finished HK. That's for the two times the event went. But you can add HK to the mix if you want, it does not change the fact that events are imbalanced and some classes don't even ever shine. | all factions are best suited for different things, its common knowledge :)
it will always be impossible to make events fair for all factions unless it is an event with no talents, faction skill or units... | Some factions will be better at some things - true and impossible for it to not be. Sure some on average tend to have a higher liklihood of being the top, but most faction can get there some of the time, especially when they can choose between alt factions.
With sufficient gold one can be any faction at almost the same level (just need buildings and a potion of skill)
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Therefore if it is the winning that matters - invest the gold and be the "best" faction.
If you want to play the faction you enjoy the most, then do so, it may mean you win less than some others, but perhaps enjoy it more.
Of course you may not have the gold to do the first option, but in a way that is a choice since we could all buy diamonds. After all this is a free game to play, but not a free game to run. | @107
Well said.
I think with time the admins are trying to make it more and more feasible to own multiple factions and also be able to play multiple factions with things like PoS. | https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=859583573&show_for_all=c41b015dcf
shadow barb AI - joke build and army | for Slust:
i agree with you, every event there are charmer,dwarf,tamer and some bw's on top
people don't even play knight or necro anymore because humans like things to be easy | i hate to cause arguments, but you just named 4 of the 8 factions...
and just so you know, i see knight and necro more then i see dwarfs, tamer and tribals.
its not that people dont play them, they just swap to whats best suited for said battle... | i hate to cause arguments, but you just named 4 of the 8 factions...
they are not factions but alt factions and thats 17 of them,so 4 out of 17
and just so you know, i see knight and necro more then i see dwarfs, tamer and tribals.
perhaps you are looking at different thing, knights are exticnt
its not that people dont play them, they just swap to whats best suited for said battle...
yes.thats the problem,only 4-5 same factions are always best suited out of 17 | for death2all:
PS, i know you never agree because dwarf and elf are your mains :) | Like people are complaining now about Dwarfs or Charmers, in events like those survilurgs 3 waves, they will start complaining how Holy Knights are OP, and when village defense or pirate battles will come, people will start complaining how OP Unholy Necro is, and so on..
All factions can't be good at everything.
And I agree with milesteg, either play for fun with your fav factions, or if you wanna land in top100 everytime then build new factions, simple and straight. | it will always be impossible to make events fair for all factions unless it is an event with no talents, faction skill or units...
I'm not even saying it should be fair for all, but at least each alt should be given a chance to shine. Can you tell me a PvE event where say unholy or dark barbarians were successful?
its not that people dont play them, they just swap to whats best suited for said battle...
You say some factions are better at some things, but let's face it, some factions are simply outdated. I'll tell about wizard because that's what I play, and I can tell that every event, BW is better, and it's better at PvP too. Events are not suited to destruction and when it comes down to might classic as barely range while BW has higher damage output (better talents, higher recruit count) and stronger range.
Besides events are supposed to be "balanced" as amount of ennemies is adjusted depending on your faction/alt but in practice the system does not work. We also had events where your units would upgrade and there too BW was clearly superior, some might remember about fortune genies with strike and return, no retal and mayhem. Classic had really weak upgrades in comparison.
That's just like in PvP, tamer has been released for a year now, it still monopolize all PvP tournament rankings but it has been a couple tournaments since the last nerf. Would you suggest that every PvP player should switch to tamer to be competitive? | It is true that some alt factions barely make a showing as a strong faction at events.
Some factions are more consistently strong than others.
Rather than focusing on the precise order of those that regularly at the top, I would look at the inverse and I would include tournaments of all types within that comparison.
Looking at it this way I would say that from my perspective Unholy necro, classic wiz, red demon, classic knight are rarely used - and so inferred are weaker. So yes arguing their absence I think is valid, but I think there is still sufficient diversity from the rest.
One must also be aware that not being in the top is not necessarily an indicator that a faction is weak at an event, there is an additional selection process on events - speed of match. Many people will struggle to do all battles required for any given tournament or event. There chance to complete these is increased if they play factions that can finish a match fast.
Therefore those factions that offer both a good win chance, and get the job done quick are going to be preferred, thus ending up with a lower number of factions appearing in the top lists. It does not mean that they could not have done so well with another faction per se, just that they chose not to. | for Slust:
Yeah. Why not?
Tamer pales when it comes to Hunts, Mercs & Thief, so we must also start complaining about how Tamer is bad at PvE.
The whole point of an Alternate Faction is to give the said faction an edge in the type of game play the classic is bad at.
Take Barbarian for example, Fury & Classic Barb are good at Hunts, Mercs, Non Survival oriented PvPs.
Dark Barb is outrageously good at Mixed & Blindfold, here the other two plain stink.
I don't see what's the problem with switching factions to Alternates. That's what Alternates are supposed to be, an 'ALTERNATIVE' which has its own merits & demerits.
That said, Unholy Necro & Classic Wizard are certainly extremely lackluster in comparison to their counterparts. Especially Classic Wizard, it's become redundant now. There is nothing that Classic can do that BW can't do + it does more.
I think the Talent Wheels of Classic Factions needs a redo. | I know I didn't help with my post, but can we please get this back onto topic?
Happy for you guys to open a separate thread to discuss this, naturally. | totally agree with AKA's #117.
I used to be complaining about factions when i was low level too, particularly when dwarf was released and it was so hard to play against them as barb. The thing just goes away when you make multiple castles at higher levels. If you think elf and dwarf are consistently good at events and you are interested in playing these events, i think it is more practical to build their castles and switch instead of waiting for admins to change things.
That said, i do understand the frustration here. cWizard has earned its place in the lowest of the tiers where the entire class is not even defendable except in some very specific hunts. And the lack of diversity is a good point - personally i accept it as a limitation to the game, a thing to improve on gradually. And that sort of thing will be true for most if not all the good games. | I was just killed in a battle only by AI hero.. a tribal one. :))
900+ damage in one hit with the Tribal unity spell. What a joke!
4 hits - sharps, FB, 2 for unis |
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