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| Author | May 21, 2011-End Of The World? |
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| just forget,days are over! | i think you guys should chill out. some believe in god and the end of time, others believe in evolution (not sure who, you were right, it is not created out of nothing but formed from something older, just wanted to reply on the whole god issue)
let either one believe what they want. i think all your religious people are blind and hiding behind a book, thats my opinion (and yes christianity "defeated" the roman empire, but only cause people needed something else then believe and follow.) you might think the other way around and say i am a heathen and dont believe in something so clear (your opinion),
lets just keep it too that as no one will ever change his mind, until someone can prove on paper that god exist or does not exist, and no matter what we all say, no one can do that as of yet. | @kiwi
we're chilling, dude. afterall, we're only matter, right? there's nothing else. our forefathers (those organic molecules in the primordial soup) had it easy... how did we come this far? i mean, we're matter inquiring what matter is... and apparently getting nowhere. stupid matter! oh well, there's problably weirder things. | oh, and since we're on the evolutionary theme, just answer a small doubt so i can rest at ease and go back to my dogmatic sleep:
did space and time create matter? or did matter create space and time? which came first? which caused which? | | :P syrian that we can never explain, thats why i ended, lets just leave the other in their value and believe what we want to believe as no one can prove why the other is wrong, as of such no one is right. | #318
Do you have common sense? :P | So Atheists claim to be people of reason and believers, by default, unreasonable. You have to wonder why such reasoned thinkers would come against a MASSIVE group of "unreasonable" blokes and push, sue,or mock them?
Typical of this time of year, one kid is suing a school district to make sure no person dares pray or mentions God in their commencement speech. ONE agnostic teen complained that he would be forever harmed should these words be spoken within his hearing range. Oh the humanity.
Let me tell you, there is going to be a push back and you aren't going to like it. You are graciously allowed a seat and voice at a table where you are a minute minority and what do you do? You use the law to force your belief, or unbelief, on the masses.
When the hulking mass has finally had enough of being pushed around, it will strike back until it is sated. Now the first thing we will read here is that religion is violent, blah blah blah but in fact these blokes are unafraid to push the masses because we are exactly the opposite of what they accuse us of being.
They use their freedom to attack those who allow them freedom. Is it not so? Tell me if the religious wanted to force you into silence, how could you stop it?
In your mind there is no return of Christ but there is a push back coming. Too dense to see it? When it does occur, nobody will listen to your appeal because while you were given your fair chance, you abused it in a foolish and wicked manner, imposing your tiny minority views on the majority.
I'd say it is quite unreasonable to do what you are doing but carry on please. Lefties always, always, always overreach. | modi you are being very unreasonable by pushing your believes on others like there is only one option.
what is religion? a way to explain the unexplainable, what was there before christ? there were people that believed in the god of thunder as they could not explain it. when they could, they needed something else so started to believe in the god that created all, one day we will be able to explain that and then there will be a new religion.
you can have your religion that is fine, but dont think that we are beneath you as we dont share the same, you might not mean that, but you do surely bring it over with your words.
ps only 33% of the world believes in christ, so in my eyes you are the minority.
together with the islam, who in easy words also believe in one god and some other small religions you make up for under 60%,
thats a majority but not a big one, all other religions do not believe in a creator of all, they in very easy words merely believe in spirits that roam this earth with us and living on the right path, depending on which religion we are talking about. so those 40% of the people are all wrong? | | and just to keep on the point, the islam is just as hard against you as against the non believers, so i do think they will exterminate Christianity before they attack us. | | Funny people. | Again with the scare tactics? Iron fist inside the Velvet glove? Don't feel like believing in the teachings of love and understanding anymore?
Fortunately most Christians don't hold such extreme views of their religion as you do. Most don't believe in an imminent "End of the World" event.
Some of my best friends are Christians. They don't presume to try and shove their religion down my throat, and I reciprocate by respecting their beliefs, even though I don't believe as they do.
Perhaps, if you don't like people deconstructing your religious beliefs, you should refrain from trying to brow-beat your religion into others? Presenting your religious beliefs (and political ones for that matter) as absolute canon and not to be questioned is a rather confronting and rude thing to do. Yet you seemingly do it without hesitation; at least, this has been my experience. I would be interested to know if others have experienced the same.
Christianity claims around one-quarter to one-third of the world population as adherents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions). I have no idea how many hold such extreme beliefs, but I would certainly hope that it is no more than a small portion. While Christianity may seem to have the lions share of representation in your experience, not everywhere resembles your demographic in this regard. Particularly Australia (where I live) is not a particularly religious country. While the majority of the population identifies as Christian, church attendance is fairly low and many probably identify this way out of loyalty to family history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia).
Also the politics here doesn't really match your experience either (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia). The "Right" is represented by (mostly) the Liberal Party, while the "Left" is represented by (mostly) the Labor party. It always gives me a bit of giggle when you claim that I have "Liberal" leanings, because it doesn't quite mean the same (politically) as it does where you live, apparently.
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Grunge | Sorry, that last link should have been (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Australia).
Grunge | They don't presume to try and shove their religion down my throat, and I reciprocate by respecting their beliefs, even though I don't believe as they do.
you BELIEVE there is no God, you BELIEVE the world won't end out of a prophecy and you've been trying for days to shove those beliefs down everyone's throat... so hearing that from you... is really too much.
all the best to you, and i'm not one to hold grudges, so i mean that... c ya around. | and just to keep on the point, the islam is just as hard against you as against the non believers, so i do think they will exterminate Christianity before they attack us.
Oh you are quite wrong. You see, Islam allows for something called a poll tax, granted to those who are 'people of the book."
Atheists are not viewed in the same light as believers in the eyes of Islam.
No, you are a stunning minority on this earth. Try and have an Atheist elected as president in the USA. Ain't gonna happen.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/religious-belief-is-human-nature-huge-new-study-claims /
Say I went to China to live with my family. On Chinese New Year, I complain that I don't believe in dragons and it offends me and my children and demand the celebration sopped. Not only would I rightly be scorned and maybe even jailed, I would deserve it for being such an idiot.
Doesn't matter what you think is wrong or right. The push back is coming regardless if it makes sense or not. That's what happens when a tiny minority overplays their hand. | There's plenty more information on these subjects available. I recommend anyone who wishes to know more to find your own sources of information. By all means, read the sources provided by myself, Modi and others. But please, make sure to try and explore the subject in a way that you find to satisfy your own beliefs or lack thereof. That's the most attractive thing I find about skepticism *in* *general*. I get to make up my own mind from the many and varied sources available. I don't simply use the "this is the way things are and have always been" standpoint that many religions try to force on others. Post 106, a continuation of post 105.
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Grunge | Numbers 15:28-31
And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them. But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him. | I see you did go back to the "It's too hard for our simple minds to understand". You tried to catch me out in a weakly designed logic trap earlier. Ignoring a post you can't answer, and deciding logic can no longer be used when you brought it in to the discussion in the first place is weak.
I don't need to fuly understand all powerful. I don't need to know if God can make a rock so heavy that he can't pick it up.
I can ask you to explain why does an all powerful loving god let bad things happen. Humans are adept at making enough bad things ourselves, that we don't need genetic illnesses, birth defects, still births, etc to test us. We'll mess up enough ourselves to easily test us.
We already know how important the soul is. Abortion is unacceptable to the highly religious. So why is god aborting a soul (still birth) an acceptable choice of an all loving all, powerful god? | @334. Here's a link
http://salaswildthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/religion-statistics-in-us.html
Belief in religion is in a steady decline. I know the 1st thing you would try to argue with is accuracy. Hard to claim bias when the people conducting the survey are Trinity College.
The stat I find most interesting. "• Only1.6 percent of Americans call themselves atheist or agnostic. But based on stated beliefs, 12 percent are atheist (no God) or agnostic (unsure)"
People in America are so frightened to call themselves non-believers that only 1 in 8 who are non believers admit to it. You yourself showed people discriminate against atheists. "Try and have an Atheist elected as president in the USA. Ain't gonna happen."
So keep in your little bubble where the religious majority are somehow weak and persecuted. I think I'll prefer to look at the facts a bit more.
It's very different in Aus. Yes. We have an atheist female prime minister.
I noticed the scriptures came back, and the it's all too hard for our feeble little brains to understand. Mind of god, maybe too hard to understand. An explanation as to why the 1st 2 chapters of the bible contradict, I'd at least like to see you try to explain it. | bad things happen.
they do?
i thought you thought moral value depends on the individual, since there's no higher stance. no absolute moral, right? so what's bad for some, may be good for others. when you say "bad things", you really mean "just things", right? yea, "things" happen. i agree. | Escape the question again I see. I said they were labels that were useful, but there are no absolutes. Answer one of the question I presented then, and I'll rewrite it in a 1 sentence form to make it real simple.
Why is a loving god allowed to abort wanted foetus, but people aren't allowed to abort unwanted ones?
I may as well remind you to explain the genesis contradiction while you are there. |
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