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| Author | May 21, 2011-End Of The World? |
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It's odd that a Christian is so rabidly supportive of Israel, which is a Jewish state
Silly Grunge, the Bible tells Christians they are grafted into the tree of Israel. See how quickly I found this? Because I know the book I am discussing and you simply do not. This chapter in Romans tells about Christians who are grafted into the tree of Israel,leading eventually to the salvation of the whole house of Israel. Now, as a Christian, why would be fight our own tree, and those who will someday be our brothers in Christ. Too deep for you?
Romans 11
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sin | Well, actually, you have previously informed me by PM of the online sources you use for your bible discussions. Isn't it ironic that you are more than willing to use the wonderful reference tools developed and provided by science (computers, data indexing and the Internet) but choose to ignore the stuff you don;t like (like dating the Earth back many billions of years, instead of only a few thousand) even when it is confirmed by many independent scientific disciplines.
So where was that evidence again? Post numbers please!
So I take you *still* can't refute the Genesis contradiction?
Care to explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus (Historicity Debate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history (Challenges to Historicity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
But of course Modi will not explain. Because providing an explanation only provides additional opportunities to find an ever increasing multitude of problems. That's why religious groups are more focused on attacking and not providing convincing evidence. Why not give *us* some answers Modi?
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6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
This sounds strangely like some of the predicted side-effects of Global Warming. "End of the World" from a Global Warming deluge? Odd that you find Global Warming to be so hard to accept when it seems to mirror some of the religious teachings you find so compelling? Maybe Noah was the first to experience the hardships of Global Warming?
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Grunge | for Grunge:
No, what is odd is that you and your pal chose to come here and show your utter lack of understanding of a subject you are trying to sound informed about.
You need to learn the basics before trying to understand anything deep.
You are likened to a kid who just conquered addition and subtraction, going to a Uni to discuss advanced calculus.
You need to go back to school and reread the tome you wish to debate because your posts show a lack of the most basic principles.
Why would Christians support Israel? Shall we laugh?
Stick to mommas milk because you aren't ready for the prime rib.
Any time you go off script you show your ignorance of the subject at hand. The ignorance is so deep that you don't even realize how little you know. Carry on like a good soldier by all means. We are enjoying it. And I do me we :P | | This is getting interesting :) | This sounds strangely like some of the predicted side-effects of Global Warming. "End of the World" from a Global Warming deluge? Odd that you find Global Warming to be so hard to accept when it seems to mirror some of the religious teachings you find so compelling? Maybe Noah was the first to experience the hardships of Global Warming?
Ah, I love this stuff. We both know that I scoff at MAN-MADE global warming, so don't be confused.
But while we are on the subject, the Bible clearly shows horrendous weather problems in the last days, does it not?
Lets see what we have here.
What the Bible says about the last days
1. Israel will be reborn. Check
2. The earth will warm. Check
3. The ability for the whole world to see a single event at the same time. Check
4. The return of open homosexuality. Check
5. A knowledge and travel explosion. Check
6. The Middle East peace treaty, unsigned. Check
7. The words used in the peace treaty. Check
8. Jerusalem becoming a sticking point, involving the whole world. Check
So yes, lucky for you, science agrees with what the Bible already said about the last days. Cool huh? :P | So where was that evidence again? Post numbers please!
So I take you *still* can't refute the Genesis contradiction?
Care to explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus (Historicity Debate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history (Challenges to Historicity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
But of course Modi will not explain. Because providing an explanation only provides additional opportunities to find an ever increasing multitude of problems. That's why religious groups are more focused on attacking and not providing convincing evidence. Why not give *us* some answers Modi?
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The "End of the World" doesn;t have to mean the destruction of the entire planet. All it would take, from the point of view of humanity, is the extinction of the human race. Such extinctions have happened repeatedly through history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_events. These extinction events often result in accelerated evolution of the surviving species.
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Grunge | So where was that evidence again? Post numbers please!
Sorry son, go back and find the posts yourself.
What am I to expect from you next? " I know you are but what I am?"
lol | I thought Modi claimed that Global Warming was a myth? Changing your story because it is convenient to do so? I'm so glad that you are now coming around and agreeing with elements of my presentations. Thanks for playing.
So where was that evidence again? Post numbers please!
So I take you *still* can't refute the Genesis contradiction?
Care to explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus (Historicity Debate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history (Challenges to Historicity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
But of course Modi will not explain. Because providing an explanation only provides additional opportunities to find an ever increasing multitude of problems. That's why religious groups are more focused on attacking and not providing convincing evidence. Why not give *us* some answers Modi?
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Over 99% of documented species are now extinct. However that doesn't mean the world has ended. Although I suppose that means those species have experienced the "End of the World" from their point of view. Guess those species weren't designed so intelligently after all?
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Grunge | for Grunge:
I thought Modi claimed that Global Warming was a myth? Changing your story because it is convenient to do so? I'm so glad that you are now coming around and agreeing with elements of my presentations. Thanks for playing.
Man-made global warming is a myth. You know it as well as the scientists who got caught fudging data to prove MAN did it. Thanks Russian hackers for exposing the frauds.
No they weren't scientists, they were hackers. The scientists were too busy in collusion to cover their tracks.
But of course, Grunge is being as fake as he always is. Isn't that right?
Wow you got your tail kicked all over these boards and you don't even know it.
Too funny. | Guess Modi can't find the posts where he allegedly posted evidence. Obviously because such evidence doesn't exist. Certainly I didn't see any evidence from Modi. "Well, Your Honor. We've plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence." Lionel Hutz, The Simpsons.
So where was that evidence again? Post numbers please!
So I take you *still* can't refute the Genesis contradiction?
Care to explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus (Historicity Debate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history (Challenges to Historicity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
But of course Modi will not explain. Because providing an explanation only provides additional opportunities to find an ever increasing multitude of problems. That's why religious groups are more focused on attacking and not providing convincing evidence. Why not give *us* some answers Modi?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon
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Grunge | for Grunge:
Thankfully normal folk who really are interested in this subject can see the posts you continually call for.
Im sorry if this debate has made you look so uniformed but I didn't invite you here to oppose me.
Just like I didn't invite you to my lead minis thread where you took on a 3 day ban for an immediate flame.
No, you have an ax to grind but aren't man enough to admit it.
Now a 3 day ban was pretty rough, eh? That's because you and Fishy have a long history of the nonsense you are doing again on this thread, and the mod knew it before you came and flamed there.
Did you ever think you could be so predictable? So basic and oh so much fun! | As any reasonable person can see, Modi is completely unable to bring any *actual* *evidence* to the table of his outrageous claims. He has been refuted every single time.
It is very sad that someone who seems so intelligent in other ways is so unable to perform such a simple task.
I think it is obvious that Modi will continue to evade, so I see no point in posting further here. Perhaps if Modi posts some actual evidence? But everyone knows that won't happen.
As always, Have Fun everyone. Enjoy your event reward.
Grunge | Now I will plod on with the work at hand. I'm sorry Grunge and Fishy, but because of your lack of understanding of this subject, I can't waste any more time on you.
Please feel free to post to your heart's delight. Anyone else wanting to ask a serious question about the subject, please do, either here or in PM.
Thank you | For ages, Christians, and other cultures talked about the end of the world. Being a Christian and more than qualified to write about my own religion's views on the subject, I write to other Christians from now on.
For it is written:
1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
Also;
Matthew 10
"14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
The Day of the Lord. What is it and is it linked to the return of Christ?
The Day of the Lord is mentioned many times in the Bible and in multiple books within it. It describes the judgment of the world and the setting up of the Messianic Kingdom.
There are descriptions of events that will happen before the Day of the Lord and unless all the signs are evident, it has been man's error only when he has guessed wrong.
Look here, even in the days of the disciples, early Christians thought they missed the resurrection and had to be told like children they were not left behind.
2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"
Paul had to remind the church what he told them. The Day of the Lord would not come before a falling away of the faith and the appearance of the antichrist.
The Bible says that only the generation in which the return of Christ applies to is the one who will be able to understand all the signs given for the age.
Daniel 12
8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand."
Now what are the signs we are to look for and are they evident today and only possible today and not in the past? | I think we can all agree that the book of Revelation is dealing with the end of days, the judgment of the world, and the setting up of the Messianic Kingdom.
Even the secularists understand that much, so no point in wasting time showing it does.
This picture of the future describes an event that all other ages past could not possibly achieve and you will see why.
Remember now, this was written in 95 AD or so.
Revelation clearly describes the entire world being able to view a single event at the same time.
The set-up is this. After Israel signs the big peace treaty, two prophets will come to Jerusalem and begin a 3.5 year mission, plaguing the world and preaching repentance.
After their mission is over they will be slain in the street and left to rot while the whole world celebrates. How could the whole world know about this event? Indeed how could they all see it?
Revelation 11
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[c] Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow[d] their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."
Gee, how could a man living over 1900 years ago come up with that?
Any other generation not able to complete that^^ prophecy is irrelevant to the end days prophecies.
To put it into context, a minister in the 1800s wrote about the difficulty he was having with understanding Revelation and he pointed out the above verses and said" Am I to believe that someday we will all be able to look through the TELEGRAPH to see an event? How else can this come true?"
Someone living less than 200 years ago was confounded by these verses but we aren't, are we? | "Science is a body of knowledge which has been estimated to be the equivalent of some 10,000,000 books on science and its applications. More important, this body of knowledge is increasing at a rate estimated to be about 1,000,000 book equivalents a year, or on the order of 100 books an hour" {Science News, Oct. 18, 1969).
The deluge of new knowledge is so relentless that Dr. J. E. Wallen, chief of oceanography at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, says: "I spend 25 percent to 50 percent of my working time trying to keep up with what's going on."
Piles of reports are accumulating in every area of science. The comment of a Nobel-prizewinning physicist, Dr. Emilio Segre, illustrates the extent of the problem. "On K-mesons alone," he stated, "to wade through all the papers is an impossibility."
We are in an information explosion unlike anything written history can compare to. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. Let the wonders around you testify.
Daniel gives us two key signs that the end of the age is upon us.
Daniel 12
4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Travel was limited to horses, boats, and feet for 5000 years. Now we can hop on a jet and be in another continent in hours, like its no big deal. Daniel says the time of the end will see an increase in movement of people and a knowledge increase.
Also note in the preceding verses, Israel is present and gathered and the world is being judged.
Daniel 12
1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel is piecing the resurrection with the two evident signs discussed already(increased travel and knowledge).
You don't have to believe its true but that is what he wrote. | Jerusalem. The Bible says that in the last days, Jerusalem will be an issue that engulfs the world.
Zechariah 12
1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
And in Joel 3
1"For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."
Now why would these prophets predict that Jerusalem would be an issue of contention that will engulf the world?
This was written 1000 years before Islam,and 500 years before Christianity. So why would everyone be in a tizzy about Jerusalem. Easy to say now that Islam and Christianity came to be but at the time of the writing?
Dont try and say that Jerusalem is some strategic city because if it were, Babylon would not have sacked it and left it in ruins. Rome also.
No, it is a strictly religious conflict we see playing out today.
Last days prophecy, the contention over Jerusalem....check. | The language of the Deal
Jesus told us to watch for his return after giving his disciples some signs to look for that will come about right before his return.
Mark 13
35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
What better way to watch than to gather all the signs given to us throughout the Bible concerning the last days, right?
I did that many years ago and until recently, one particular verse was confusing. It is an end days prophecy.
1 Thessalonians 5
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
We see the mention of the day of the Lord once again, along with a particular phrase to watch for, somehow tying into it all.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Why is this significant to Christians? If this is the end days, we should be hearing it. Wouldn't you know it that it is the language used in almost all speeches or written proclamations concerning Israel and the peace treaty?
“Today, the US cast its veto to advance the cause of peace and scuttle an effort to use the UN’s diplomatic power to bias and blame,” said JCPA Chair Dr. Conrad Giles. “Our goal remains the same: two states, the Jewish state of Israel and a state of Palestine, living side-by-side in security and peace."
"Our goal is two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security," says Obama
"The Arab American Institute (AAI) strongly supports genuine efforts towards a just, lasting and comprehensive resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that will result in two states, Palestine and Israel, living side by side in peace and security."
"Canada is committed to the goal of a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East, including the creation of a Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel."
"The settlement will resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and end the occupation that began in 1967, based on the foundations of the Madrid Conference, the principle of land for peace, UNSCRs 242, 338 and 1397, agreements previously reached by the parties, and the initiative of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah – endorsed by the Beirut Arab League Summit – calling for acceptance of Israel as a neighbour living in peace and security, in the context of a comprehensive settlement."
"A statement from the spokesman’s office says this includes the resumption of the Middle East peace process, with the aim of achieving an independent and viable Palestinian state living side-by-side in peace with a secure Israel, and a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace as envisaged in Security Council resolutions."
These are just a few statements concerning the peace treaty. Google the rest if you do not believe me.
We already saw the Bible predicting the rebirth of Israel and the contention of Jerusalem. The yet unsigned peace treaty is dealt with in Daniel and it says it will occur in the last days.
To be able to be the generation who witnesses the return of Christ, the phrase "peace and safety" must be evident and be connected to other prophesies. I believe I have proved that here. | if u come to know the day of death then the days of living would become a hell.........so dont believe in all these foolish thing,live peacefully and happily
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So Modi says that no man can know the hour of the "End Times" (Post 9), yet apparently he has an exemption and *can* predict that the "End Times" are near. Just another contradiction piled upon the dozens of others that he can't explain.
I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, what's the difference between Modi and the other guy predicting the "End of the World"?
Oh, that's right. The other guy was able to convince a bunch of gullible fools to part with a whole bunch of money, so at least he comes out of it rich.
Hmmmmmm.... Maybe that's where Modi is going with the Heroes of Armageddon clan. I mean who would pay 300xCombat Level Gold per week to stay in a non-military clan? He's got the idea from guy IRL and is now implementing in in LWM.
Nice!
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Maybe the Admins should change the Tip on the character page. "Convincing people the End of the World is coming is a way to get rich quick".
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