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If these stat monsters going to stop playing now, it just prove more that they were skillfully always weak and always had to rely on stat advantage.
For sure. I think some of them are already good players to begin with and the stats are just the cherry on top. Not sure why they are so salty about this unless they absolutely suck | fsl 13 from PoS is bullsiht at cl19, even my main faction isn't fsl13 yet, gotta agree with slayer regarding boost to knights and necro with this.
fsl12 at 16? lmao, this is bullshit | @rengar
i would highly recomend NOT getting fsl 13 in main. it is HUGE boost in the exp formula and you would add probably another 200% exp to the exp you already get per battle. better to get fsl 12 in everything first | | yea you get fsl 13 you would go from +466% to +~700% | If these stat monsters going to stop playing now, it just prove more that they were skillfully always weak and always had to rely on stat advantage.
For sure. I think some of them are already good players to begin with and the stats are just the cherry on top. Not sure why they are so salty about this unless they absolutely suck
If i may speak for these 'stat monsters', for me, it is not about players with avg or below avg stats, it is rather about players who are at top of their cl in terms of stats.
I did reduce my play time after the update because I had always planned my combat levels according to the stat points, like before hitting cl20, i was working on my wg6 and hg11, and getting as many cg points i could with the balance exp, but after the update i could only get hg11, i cannot even get wg6 before cl20 because of exp boost, which makes me 2nd in stat points table in cl19. IF not for the update i could easily top the table at cl19.
And now to compete with players at higher cl like Raven, Kol or Gradient(top at the stat table for their respective combat levels) is almost impossible
Speaking of players with low stats, it is actually amazing because i was tired of teammates with shit stats :D | i would highly recomend NOT getting fsl 13 in main
I do not have plans for fsl13 any soon, I was pointing out how the PoS change was shit :D | https://daily.heroeswm.ru/players/l/jj/o/38/id/7213520
They do not show players parameters anymore? | Not sure why they are so salty about this unless they absolutely suck
This is not rts but rpg. Its purpose for some was just to play ad they please to have fun every day and not with purpose to build strong character. Their purpose as I believe, was rpg and character building so game was not set of battles but a process of character building. Part of purpose was to win battle but part was to see fruits of long term strategy. Now rules have changed and they are o requested to give those fruits away.
Although change of mechanics might have been needed, I would not question their skill and I would give them understanding if they do not want to continue playing. I would rather qurstion the way that the change was implemented. | If i may speak for these 'stat monsters', for me, it is not about players with avg or below avg stats, it is rather about players who are at top of their cl in terms of stats.
It feels like you are saying "Right now I am top stat at level 19, how can I compete against the top stat at level 20?" while ignoring the fact that you probably are already more stacked and jacked than 90% of the level 20 characters. If you were to level up to level 20 now, you would already be in top 20 in stats for level 20
https://daily.heroeswm.ru/players/l/kk/o/37
And now to compete with players at higher cl like Raven, Kol or Gradient(top at the stat table for their respective combat levels) is almost impossible
But when you reach level 20, wouldn't Raven already be close to or already at level 21? You could wait out for the update to take effect and let the pumped characters slowly unpump into higher levels and focus more on the pve
Also, you are only 7 points behind Raven. It is not that much of a disadvantage purely from a stats perspective (I am not a pvp expert as you can tell from my CG points)
Isn't it a problem that kind of fixes itself in the long run? | Also, you are only 7 points behind Raven. It is not that much of a disadvantage purely from a stats perspective (I am not a pvp expert as you can tell from my CG points)
if they both played the same class same build with limited to no rng factors 7 stat points behind would skew it from 50/50 to like 35/65 in ravens favor, maybe even 30/70. | Part of purpose was to win battle but part was to see fruits of long term strategy. Now rules have changed and they are o requested to give those fruits away.
But it's not like they are requested to give all of their fruits away isn't it
Just enough so that it is fairer for everyone else, they still can keep majority of the fruits of their labour.
I'm thinking something like imagine the super duper mega rich getting increased tax rates, and then they are complaining because they worked for the money and now they have to give back for the benefit of lower and middle class citizens?
I don't know, just a random thought :P
Oh and btw, no disrespect intended for any of my posts, read back and thought some might parts might sound confrontational or aggressive | if they both played the same class same build with limited to no rng factors 7 stat points behind would skew it from 50/50 to like 35/65 in ravens favor, maybe even 30/70.
That's fair I guess, especially for initiative. But the point is that Rengar would still be a beast at level 20 most of the time, no point comparing to someone who would level up soon as well anyway | for Galthran:
Firstly, I’d like to introduce you to clan PvP, I’m not sure if you’re already familiar with it, this is a sample -
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=1274925766
In these battles, almost all the active fighters are above average or top of their levels in terms of stats, for me to compete, I may not look at the 90% players who I’ve already surpassed in stats, but the 10% players who I might face, here 1% ini difference would make all the difference in the result of the battle while playing as attackers. 7 stats is a HUGE HUGE difference | Yes and those 7 stats in a duel/mixed CG are also a HUGE difference for your oppenent. Atleast this way new people will try CG without having to face someone like you at CL 19.
You understand that someone with -10 stats can never win in a duel, right? | | Yes, but I do not want this disadvantage over Raven for me to be able to compete with him, I want to be more skilled and with good enough stats, why punish him for all his hard work and grinding while it is me who can work on myself | Firstly, I’d like to introduce you to clan PvP, I’m not sure if you’re already familiar with it, this is a sample -
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=1274925766
In these battles, almost all the active fighters are above average or top of their levels in terms of stats, for me to compete, I may not look at the 90% players who I’ve already surpassed in stats, but the 10% players who I might face, here 1% ini difference would make all the difference in the result of the battle while playing as attackers. 7 stats is a HUGE HUGE difference
Ohh I see. Jesus, the enchantments.. isn't it a massive gold sink lol
But then this is still pretty niche, if I infer from your post, not many people play this mode other than the pumped players. Why not just don't play this clan pvp lol I don't know. I'll fully admit I don't know anything about clan pvp so feel free to educate. I don't really see the value in that, maybe the CG points to exp ratio? It is not my place to tell players how to play lol | Yes, but I do not want this disadvantage over Raven for me to be able to compete with him, I want to be more skilled and with good enough stats, why punish him for all his hard work and grinding while it is me who can work on myself
If this update was not introduced, will you be able to catch up to Raven, Gradient etc in terms of stats? | Yes, but I do not want this disadvantage over Raven for me to be able to compete with him, I want to be more skilled and with good enough stats, why punish him for all his hard work and grinding while it is me who can work on myself
So you're saying don't punish him, and by extension don't punish you. You have made it entirely about yourself and it appears that you're using that Raven guy who isn't even in the same CL as you are right now. What about the majority of players who have to "work on themself" to catch up with you? With the old system, they might as well never catch up without making this game their job. That's what they've tried to fix and its been long overdue. At least now, the Raven you're worried about will level up to 21 soon enough. For the purposes of clan PVP and the related argument you brought up, I call BS. Most players who play clan PVP are pumped and those 10%, as you called it, will face the same challenges. It will be a period of readjustment, but let's not try to paint a picture like you have been singled out by this change. | In these battles, almost all the active fighters are above average or top of their levels in terms of stats, for me to compete, I may not look at the 90% players who I’ve already surpassed in stats, but the 10% players who I might face, here 1% ini difference would make all the difference in the result of the battle while playing as attackers. 7 stats is a HUGE HUGE difference
You saying that top 10% people over you has this big advantage.
Then 90% people below you have 5-7 points disadvantage compared to you and 10-15 points difference compared to top 10% players. Don't they deserve a chance to play cg duels.
On side note, maybe admin should have just forcefully moved them up to higher levels. Now, this would have been unfair?
Same goes for players who don't hold a chance to compete with these super pumped players. This is unfair for them too | Lol you guys talk as if any of you even play cg for wanting it to be “fair”
They changed how the game was designed and played before, so players who played in a certain way to develop their chars have an obvious problem with it |
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