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_uNboRn_

201 2015-04-03 17:43:31

Also look at him LOL
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4862068

Character went offline at 20:40, 2014-12-14

https://www.lordswm.com/pl_transfers.php?id=4862068
And he got salary till march 2015 lol?
He went offline at that date , but he was inactive long before too.

Now whats the explanation behind this?

MrBattleControl

202 2015-04-03 18:27:32

Unfortunately,
I don't have an answer for that since i agree with you.

But do mind that this is mostly admins' fault and not ours,we don't send salaries nor can we evict anyone from the clan.

Fallen Atheros

203 2015-04-03 18:28:48

Well i have to agree with you guys here... at least half of sage and mods are inactive yet their status is not removed.behind scenes relations for sure...

MrBattleControl

204 2015-04-03 18:30:07

behind scenes relations for sure...
Wow,that's harsh and makes it more a 'You and us' situation
Do check my last post

Classic Dyna

205 2015-04-03 18:39:27

Salaries getting paid out isn't controlled by moderators, and hasn't been for a very long time. There is no behind the scene relation, there would be far easier ways for players (who as you've pointed out aren't even here to use that gold), to get advantages like that without it seeming suspicious.

When those moderators return, the head of the department will talk to them and they will more than likely return that gold to Empire. Moderators aren't in it for the gold, and all of the moderators are mature enough to know that free gold being paid for services they aren't doing isn't right.

This isn't something you can bring up to use against the moderators or even the administrators, because that gold isn't being used at all. It doesn't benefit anyone.

Angel of Death

206 2015-04-03 18:49:53

It is allowed to create a topic reporting those moderators which receive salary, but wasn't active?

When those moderators return, the head of the department will talk to them and they will more than likely return that gold to Empire. Moderators aren't in it for the gold, and all of the moderators are mature enough to know that free gold being paid for services they aren't doing isn't right.

I've to disagree with you on this point, never assume everyone will think and act as you would, on their situation, besides if they would freely give the gold back to empire, it wouldn't be a problem to report them for illegal financial assistance, won't it? So any keeper could fine them with the gold penalty as long they weren't active doing their tasks.

That will do exactly the same as giving back to empire, but a little more faster and everyone could see and watch.

GeraldTarrant

207 2015-04-03 18:54:27

I just read this topic start to finish. Just my own 2 cents. I think many players way over estimate a forum Mods power. Mods dont have any sort of Admin power. They dont make rules, they dont change policy, They dont pay salaries. MOST mods are just normal players who happen to read forums in their spare time and delete and move posts to keep the forum section of the game clean and organized.

Classic Dyna

208 2015-04-03 19:03:40

Angel of Death, moderators in the past have returned their salary when they felt they didn't deserve it, and I'm sure if they were asked to they would oblige to avoid these types of arguments. If all of the moderators agreed the gold should be returned but this individual still refused, then it would create another situation all together.

This moderator in question didn't ask for the gold, and the gold hasn't been used. At this point in time, he hasn't gained anything. If the gold were instantly used to buy artifacts or something I would be on your side, but until get in contact with him I have no reason to doubt his integrity. I feel the moderator shouldn't be penalised, and should be given the chance to defend himself if he returns and this salary ever becomes relevant. Until then, we'll keep an eye on the activity of the moderators in relation to the salary paid.

The One Ring

209 2015-04-03 19:04:08

My point was aimed at admins, not mods.
Read the topic header :p
It's admins and citizens integration.

Dyna, you think that they don't benefit from that gold.
Lord KD got his TGI because (mostly) of his salary.
He is inactive now, but he will certainly be back one day, and will have undeserved access to Tg.

I think that the mods should do more than just follow rules.
It pains me to see forum posts advising new players against rg.
Its a part of the game that newbies shouldn't be discouraged from.
Let them try and decide.
Forum Mods should ensure that, because they are the only ones who can

Angel of Death

210 2015-04-03 19:14:36

This moderator in question didn't ask for the gold, and the gold hasn't been used. At this point in time, he hasn't gained anything. If the gold were instantly used to buy artifacts or something I would be on your side, but until get in contact with him I have no reason to doubt his integrity. I feel the moderator shouldn't be penalised, and should be given the chance to defend himself if he returns and this salary ever becomes relevant. Until then, we'll keep an eye on the activity of the moderators in relation to the salary paid.

I've saw StevieGerrard work when he was recruited, he's a excelent mod and truly deserve his position Though my memory is short and I don't think I'll keep monitoring this particular case for months nor years, which could easily be forgotten and exploited. As you said, this particular person is mature and may not want to take advantage of it, but definitely may lead to other players to fill the recruitment list, only to abuse and exploit situations similar to this one, taking advantage of situation, humans are humans and not everyone is honest, nor a exactly copy from each other.

A fine of gold will be nothing more or less, than remove the gold which he receive without doing his task, exactly the same as return the gold to empire.
however, I do not question StevieGerrard capabillity of being a mod at all, I believe he is a good moderator and should be kept on staff.

Wonderla

211 2015-04-03 19:20:15

Moderators aren't in it for the gold
True, eg.:-
Who said mods are perverted by Salary?
01-07-12 05:40: Received 25000 Gold from Empire : salary, december
01-07-12 06:21: Transferred 25000 Gold to Empire, Commission charged: 250 : i refuse salary for 1 year, nothing changes
04-30-12 12:58: Patrickou has left the clan. <- #266 LWM - Help and Reference
04-30-12 12:58: Patrickou has left the clan. <- #11 LWM - Chat moderators

DEATHisNEAR

212 2015-04-03 19:22:42

, won't it? So any keeper could fine them with the gold penalty as long they weren't active doing their tasks

Keepers don't have the ability to impose fines for this sort of thing. They can't even give penalties for obvious things like unreturned loans etc.

This remains the province of the admins/sweepers.

on a side note though, just because someone is not fighting etc does not mean they are not moderating forums. For example I go through periods when I am unable to enrol or fight but still keep a watch over forums.

I am not saying this is the situation in the case quoted but if/when they return then the head moderator for that area will deal with it. In the meantime it is not causing any harm or problems for anyone else that I can see.

Classic Dyna

213 2015-04-03 19:23:43

My post wasn't referring to KD, that might be another issue. I don't know him personally nor am I active enough on the forums to make an informed decision on how well he does his job.

All I can say for now is that Lord KD was very active on the forum at the time of his appointment, and was well respected in the community. He is also a member of the ICC, not all of his work may be conducted in the eyes of the public, and not all forum moderators monitor the main branches.

Again, I don't know him myself and can't speak too much on his behalf. When he returns, his activity within the moderator clans may be reviewed by the recruiters and administrators. Only time will tell for now.

Angel of Death, although I agree that a penalty being imposed wouldn't change anything and he essentially wouldn't be losing anything, I feel that is a decision he should be making himself. As long as he hasn't used his gold for anything, I don't have a problem with it sitting there gathering dust for a little while.

Wonderla

214 2015-04-03 19:34:59

Lord KD was very active on the forum at the time of his appointment
So true:-
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1915194&page=991
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1915194&page=991
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1915194&page=991

Wonderla

215 2015-04-03 19:37:02

Fallen Atheros

216 2015-04-03 19:39:31

All I can say for now is that Lord KD was very active on the forum at the time of his appointment, and was well respected in the community

respected? no... he was massive spamer with a very bad behaviour...no idea who gave him mods right...

behind scenes relations for sure...

Wonderla

217 2015-04-03 19:39:35

As long as he hasn't used his gold for anything
Really? He got TGI with that

Angel of Death

218 2015-04-03 19:42:36

Keepers don't have the ability to impose fines for this sort of thing. They can't even give penalties for obvious things like unreturned loans etc.

This remains the province of the admins/sweepers.

on a side note though, just because someone is not fighting etc does not mean they are not moderating forums. For example I go through periods when I am unable to enrol or fight but still keep a watch over forums.

Sorry I'm not familiarized enough with hierarchy. Indeed it doesn't need to do battles in order to being active, but correctly me if I am wrong, but to remove a post, delete a thread or make any action that only a moderator may execute, it must be loged in on this particular account isn't? Those persons, didn't log in, for due time, meaning they didn't their job, even if they were monitoring the forums from distance.

I am not saying this is the situation in the case quoted but if/when they return then the head moderator for that area will deal with it. In the meantime it is not causing any harm or problems for anyone else that I can see.

I may be exaggerating, but doesn't sweepers and admins had a lot work to do, on their due areas? Something that may require daily monitoring, shouldn't be easily forgotten combined with their default work? Doesn't?

I'm not saying that those moderators are doing this on purpose, nor that won't return, but this may give a wrong impression to some people, leading to enlist for wrong intentions. Also I do not question StevieGerrard capabillity for doing his task.

Angel of Death, although I agree that a penalty being imposed wouldn't change anything and he essentially wouldn't be losing anything, I feel that is a decision he should be making himself. As long as he hasn't used his gold for anything, I don't have a problem with it sitting there gathering dust for a little while.

Indeed, but how many players were blocked for doing illegal transfer that would somehow benefit their accounts? High level players, donate players and even some which didn't read the rules propely, how much time spent we should have, if we calculate every single person who was banned for illegal assistance? And if they aren't banned, they surely were fined with due gold penality.

Yes, I remember Lord KD, he open threads for flooding, take advantage of new players with insanely good deals for himself and become a moderator. That was a big surprise for me, indeed. If there's one person who doesn't deserve this position, it's easily him.

Caleb2060

219 2015-04-03 19:42:58

This topic has went from Admins and players integration to Moderators and players fighting over each other , Nobody has the right in here to even refer KD's name in a public forum. He was a really active person , so what if he was a flooder? So are you Mr. wonderla.Anybody can be a flooder , That thread was made to spam ok? Please stop referring to him , He was really honest and integral during his work and was really good at it , Please friends do not take names to the public , I can point out lots of mistakes in each one your profiles :)

Pankaj_Kalra21

220 2015-04-03 19:45:45

Please don't take a toll on KD as long as he's not here ;) I really don't want to soil my hands in this topic because i fear a excessive futile and monotonous rant. I hope you feel me and also coming up with messages like "We were not criticizing KD in any way" or, "It was unintentional". I hope you feel me, so cheers ;)

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