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This topic has been a great read on a very common issue which can be mended.
I agree to the fact that mods aren't entirely to fault but it is because of the rules that mods have to end up banning so many people. Some rules are completely hopeless and just reduce freedom of expression. In an attempt to keep the forum clean, we are stuck with a forum where informal communication is restricted.
But, mods have been seen dominating by giving excessive penalties and some have blindly gone overboard with the rules. Moderators need to use a bit more common sense and see that some rules like the max 3. repetitive charachters rule should not be taken too seriously. If a player writes <random-text>.... then he/she should not be banned for the 4 dots.
In the end I'd just like to say that even if the rules are a bit extra strict, mods should have the decency to forgive wherever possible.
Thank you pravin for initiating this discussion. |
| Simple now it is stil a rule so we need to follow it nothing we can do till it changed. |
And one more thing, I had been posting rules that are being violated by a particuler post in many threads since mods were very slow, and then I got a message from a mod (W___) to stop posting pointless messages everywhere. So my question here is, if mods say rules are pointless things, why should we abide by them?
Still waiting for any mod to answer this :)
It sound as if you posted something like "The post above is violating a rule".
I think it is rather obvious why this is pointless: If a mod is reading that thread, he will probably find that violation himself. If no mod is reading that thread, he will not read your post either.
If you find a post very offensive that needs immediate action, it is much better to send a PM or Skype any online mod. |
The four dots rule may seem meaningless, but we'll have to deal with it for now. Rules are rules and creating exceptions only in particular places are how things get out of control.
In regards to Wonderla,
I'm not too sure exactly what you're referring to, but I presume it's mainly happening in the C&A topics?
In the past we have had disputes on the forum because some players don't want to be judged by those who aren't mods. Even if they are slow, if there is rule break that you find, I feel it's better to let the mods handle it. If it goes unnoticed for an extended period of time, maybe message a moderator who's online and they'll deal with it.
There's no need for a regular player to point out the mistakes of new players like that, as it normally just makes them hostile. Let the moderators deal with rule breakers and focus more on helping people.
If you feel the moderator acted in a very hostile way, or you were banned and you wish to dispute it, let one of us know (in private mail), and we will review the way things are handled. It's important that people speak their minds on this subject, but doing it in the open like this isn't going to help anyone. |
But, mods have been seen dominating by giving excessive penalties and some have blindly gone overboard with the rules. Moderators need to use a bit more common sense and see that some rules like the max 3. repetitive charachters rule should not be taken too seriously. If a player writes <random-text>.... then he/she should not be banned for the 4 dots.
1. Please read my post 69 for information of why we have this stupid rules. It is because of stupid players acting childish.
2. You should not get banned for 4 dots when used in in a correct place. When you are truncating a sentence in the middle, you should use 3 dots to mark that it was intended to continue. Any dot after those 3 are redundant. You are allowed to have 3 redundant ones so a total of 6 dots is allowed. Remember that this is a special case when you are ending a sentence prematurely. In other places where you are not supposed to have any dots, you are only allowed to have 3 because they are all redundant. |
Simple now it is stil a rule so we need to follow it nothing we can do till it changed.
Dude Rules are made,not born... We are players and we play our game if there is something wrong or something that is spoiling the Fun its our duty to tell them only then they would be able to recongnize it and take steps to develop and bring improvement |
| Pravin, rest assured we are having a discussion about this 'three dot rule', but there are quite a few issues tied with it. My post number 43 outlines the main argument, and we need some time to find a good solution and convey it to the administrators. It also needs to go through the Russian side as well, even though we're different servers, we are the same game. As a group of 10 or so people, we can't make a rule change that will affect the forum for over 15,000 people easily. |
Its just as simple you should give moderator permissions
To ignore somewhere 4 dots
Moderator can forgive
And if someone feels it Partial then he can complain to one choosen head of forum moderators
who in turn can check if he was really partial and if he was not he can be there
like this keep suppose 3 partial limits and sent to trial period |
Although we do understand the arguments for and against, right now there isn't a way to effectively get around this.
We don't know when it's an accidental four dots and when it's four dots on purpose.
If we simply change the rules to allow four dots, then we will be having this conversation again within a year trying to allow five. The envelope will just get stretched indefinitely, and eventually the forums will go back to the messy state they were in before the rules was introduced.
In the end, there isn't a huge need to use so many symbols anyway. If there is, be sure you proof read all of your work, it's a good habit to proof read all of your work anyway. On the odd chance that it manages to slip by, in an off game forum topic somewhere, it's possible a moderator will choose not to punish.
We are just asking for now you put up with it, once the forums are under control and we rebuild the bridges with the admins and the Russians, we will be sure to apply for a rule revision.
In this current situation, moderators really can't win with the community. Enforcing the rules all the time makes the community upset, and only enforcing it in certain situations will make the moderators look corrupt. I don't speak for the others here, but I personally would prefer to look tough than corrupt in the eyes of the community and I hope you can understand that. |
Just In case we have problem with any being too rude with rules
Can we complain ?
And if yes then whom to
Say your people to be dont too implemented with rules
We just complain a person and say like 25 complaints out of clan
If not election this needs to be executed |
for Optimus Prime:
You may think that the four dots rule is too harsh but don't you think you need to respect it untill you manage to turn it down?
You have been banned for this rule for about 30 times. |
Most moderators will listen to complaints, especially the head of the department. Just because you don't hear a response right away doesn't mean you aren't being heard. If you want to speak in private, I will try to reply as much as possible on the topic and the issue will be bought up with the other moderators.
Again, I can't speak on behalf of the forum moderators too much, since they have their own training and have been told different things, but I think the current situation is hard for everyone involved. I probably wouldn't change things right away if I was in the administrators shoes. |
| Is there any head to be complained with ? |
| At the moment, I believe Pang is the head of the forum moderator department. But, there are other moderators you can talk to. Just choose one that you trust to take the issue seriously and you should be taken seriously. |
for Optimus Prime:
Post 31 - Forums - Pang, Q&H - Edwin, Chat - Eclipse These three players are responsible for each of the respective official clans. Each of them will consider complaints.
In regards to complaining about the rules, you have already done this. As a result of the discussion in this thread we have acknowledged that some players are unhappy with the rules. Understand that we will consider what has been said and see whether anything may be done about it.
And one more thing, I had been posting rules that are being violated by a particuler post in many threads since mods were very slow, and then I got a message from a mod (W___) to stop posting pointless messages everywhere. So my question here is, if mods say rules are pointless things, why should we abide by them?
Still waiting for any mod to answer this :)
When this happens in Q&H it can be annoying, especially if the question hasn't been answered. Sometimes players will post just about the rule-break and not take the time to answer the question.
I think the points in this topic are coming full circle. Already STB, Dyna and I have had to refer players back to earlier posts in this thread to answer questions that have already been answered. |
It sound as if you posted something like "The post above is violating a rule".
I didn't post this, I pasted the rules so that the mods can read that a rule has been violated and take action quickly.
When this happens in Q&H it can be annoying, especially if the question hasn't been answered.
Not in Q&H but in C&A and Trade forums.
for Edwin:
Simple now it is stil a rule so we need to follow it nothing we can do till it changed.
This means you mods aren't working or don't know the rules properly, you must now ban all those who have been posting "+1"s or "-1"s in any I&S thread. They violate the Flashmob Rule, so either you must change your sentence or ban them all ( more than 1000 bans to be done today :p). Well don't think I am against any player but I am against the rules! |
Wonderla, I disagree with your I&S flash mob statement.
Although I see where you're coming from, it has been deemed that a +1 isn't a pointless act. In this area, it is used as a measure of community approval.
Doing this in another forum section, however, would be pointless or otherwise harmful. Of course you could dispute this depending on what definition you use for flash mob, it is fine at the moment. |
| NO it ain't acc. to the current rules |
For Wonderla:
This means you mods aren't working or don't know the rules properly, you must now ban all those who have been posting "+1"s or "-1"s in any I&S thread. They violate the Flashmob Rule, so either you must change your sentence or ban them all ( more than 1000 bans to be done today :p). Well don't think I am against any player but I am against the rules!
Seriously, you must understand the difference. In I&S a post containing only +1 or -1 is still carrying a message that is understood by everyone. It surprises me that it is even possible to misunderstand FR4.3 this much. I'm very happy you are not a moderator.
I must also point out that the proper behavior when you have a complaint about moderating is this:
1. Send a PM to the moderator doing the action. Explain why you think the action was wrong and how you interpret the rule. Remember that the moderator can not change the rule.
2. If you after discussing the issue with the moderator still disagree, you can raise the question to the next level. You can ask the moderator to raise it to be discussed by all moderators. We both have a forum and a Skype chat where we discuss issues. If you for any reason distrust that moderator, feel free to ask another. |
So wonderla was posting messages in forum about a rule
Maybe thats not way you pick from forums the moderators ?
How you look at a person's forum record then ? |
