| Author | Unjustifiable Penalty. Is travelling not allowed anymore? |
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After reading all the above posts and another complaint of another top level player of similar nature. i.e staged combat.
I come to these conclusion...
1) Once u r fine by an authority (i.e admin) than better be quiet, no use fighting for it..unless u have strong backing.
2) If u want to get away from it ( i.e people will accept it, u r forgiven, many will support u even with all the mistake u done) Then, make sure yr status is high enough or the cream de la cream of this game.
Thank you. sorry, it just my 2 cents thot. bye2 |
Just few questions for you all:
Having this case at hand, is there any rule against one player to travel a certain route? Then, why don't the admins punish all the thief hunters?
Here they tried to trigger an ambush. The admins proved they aren't one and the same person by approving I_own_you_all's clan. Show me the rule in which a player is not allowed to try to trigger another player's caravan. No one can say when a caravan will take place of a player in an ambush. No one can say how many players are ambushing on the same route, so, nobody can say who would get Geht_sterben. I_own_you_all didn't set his ambushes on the route RoH<->MC to be sure he will get his brother. Geht_sterben maybe wanted only to try to trigger his brother's ambush. There is no rule against that.
If they were punished for having so many combats together, then all the thief hunters who are travelling only certain routes should be punished as well. I failed to see any player getting any fine for that.
Myabe there is a combat when Geht_sterben intentionally lost against his brother (I reviewed some of their combats and I couldn't find any trace of losing intentionally), but if you want to prove a staged combat, you should come up with that specific combat. Unless you find that, the rest is totally legit and I agree with I_own_you_all here. Show that specific fight in one lost intentionally against the other and I agree with you. Until then, please, read the game rules more carefully.
PS: Please, look at ZaR how many times he got ambushed by certain players. Were those staged combats for ZaR to level up? |
No, 32% is not normal.
For all that time only person who ambushed you more then once is The_First (2 times). And your brother ambushed you 8 times. That's not normal. And you are right, you can't know when and where someone will make ambush, but you do know when and where your brother is setting up ambush. |
Of course he knows, we talked about best place to set ambush because of needing a trigger.
And as CGSMCMLXXV said, i would be interested in such fights showing up here, too :)
Until then i am waiting to get my 5000 gold back. |
| ^^ After next update, there'll be a 32-40% chance you will get that 5k back. |
#63:
And your point? Is there any rule against traveling the route you know somebody set his ambush? Is there any assurance they will get in the same combat? Go on, express your thoughts! Come with the rules you want to cite in which specifically you get these points covered. |
I have nothing more to add. I only stated that he wanted to get ambush by he's brother and he confirmed it now. I just don't know why didn't he said that in the first place, like he was waiting for you to say it first.
I can't comment your post about triggering another player's caravan, because this is the first time I ever heard about that, so I don't know if that is true or not. |
Is there any rule against traveling the route you know somebody set his ambush
Not in itself. The effect that happens because of it is against the rules.
(Helping a friend gain TGI points.)
Let's say breaking a chair is against the law. (Ok, I know it's not, but let's say it is.) I hit the chair. Hitting the chair would not be against the law. But if it breaks because I hit the chair too much/too hard, then it's still against the law, no matter how it happened. |
#67:
Caravns are triggered by players traveling the route in which the thief set ambush.
Please, read the game help at Thieves' Guild:
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=39 |
#68:
There are many things at the limit of legality, but they are legal. You don't punish one person for being legal, do you? In your example, if you don't break the chair, should you be punished? No law was broken here by trying to trigger a caravan, why should they be punish? |
| Where did you read that? I can't find it. |
I still didn't say anything about:
he wanted to get ambush by he's brother and he confirmed it now (how do i quote :P)
I said we agreed that if doing an ambush GC/YL is best because most people walk there. Nothing more.
And wheter he has to walk that way or not is not related to me setting ambush, although he knows i set it up there.
Chance for getting ambushed is lower than for triggering and getting a strong caravan, besides: it is still faster to walk directly and get ambushed than walking the long way around, where aou can even be ambushed aswell! |
#71:
Equally with caravans, it is possible to encounter a player character of the same combat level. The ambushes are set between regions in both directions. Ambush can only occur if someone walks between those regions. However, the traveler always has a chance to pass unspotted. If two travelers are walking in the same direction and both get caught, all the three will fight in one combat. Obviously, the victims would unite against their aggressor. (the third paragraph from the Thieves' guild from the Guilds subchapter, Character chapter)
More precisely, ambush can only occur if someone walks between those regions. |
For Doc mister:
Ambush can only occur if someone walks between those regions. However, the traveler always has a chance to pass unspotted. |
| It's not that traveling the same route as a thief is staged, but at the same time. And as he says he is a brother. And he could easily know if his brother was in ambush, and staged a fight for him. |
for I_own_you_all & Geht_sterben:
I am not trying to judge you. In fact, I am trying to help you.
So read carefully.
I've checked your LG. Both of you have LG 6. It means that you have spending enough time in this game. You must know about this rule :
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=6
5.1 Administration's actions and decisions are not subject to discussion.
You've been penalized. Whatever you say, will not change this fact. By replying in this thread only make things worse. (eg: in #27, you told us that you broke another rule about password transfer).
If you keep replying in this thread and not admitting that you've made mistakes... people will dig further into your Transfer Log / Combat Log.
I hope I don't need to remind you that the game rule forbid any transfer without proper description (which is another rule violation).
So please.. accept the penalty. Say sorry... never do that again. Close this thread, and we can move on.
Please understand... I am trying to help you. I hope you don't misunderstand me |
@ CGSMCMLXXV and I_own_you_all
Doesn't that paragraph apply only for ambushing players? Not for caravans? Because that is what I thought.
And I'm asking again why didn't he said that in the first place? |
and staged a fight for him please, prove the intent of losing against his brother. trying to trigger a caravan, that's not a proof of stage combat. i asked before and i ask again, can anyone provide a combat in which Geht_sterben deliberately lost against I_own_you_all? if not, then trying to trigger a caravan is not against the rules. please, consider that before starting to write here.
#76:
I agree with you there excepting with the fact of saying sorry for something they are not guilty. |
#77:
My arguments and I_own_you_all's arguments are totally independent. I started from the premise that they had the intent. They say no. In any case, even starting from my supposition, what they did doesn't break any rule.
Doesn't that paragraph apply only for ambushing players? Not for caravans? Because that is what I thought. No. A caravan is triggered only when a player is traveling in between those regions. There are chances for the traveler to be ambushed, but those should be low according to what was written on the forum by now. |
I told my brother to properly describe his repairs :/
and besides the fact of missing words "repair" there is nothing that still needs being punished (you read what i wrote here before i guess, and i admitted the mistake).
I see that i can't get my money back, although admins should think about their penalties better (i think).
I can't say i won't ambush my brother anymore, i hope you know that.
^^
he just said he will never change his habits, because he thought this to be a land (game) to be able to walk freely.
Maybe i shouldn't have started this thread, but now i know how you all read rules and interpret wrong. I don't know how far this penalty imposing is automatic or if there really was a human mind behind it, but it seems as if the penalty imposer didn't read properly aswell.
Maybe there should be another paragraph like:
4. Senseless rules:
4.1 If you were ambushed twice by the same player always look if he is online and IF, ask where he is ambushing and walk other ways, because if you get ambushed another time by him you get punished.
Sorry for that irony, but i guess this whole thread made clear how we two think about this game more being a jail than a fun game.
Maybe some people here will get 30% of my monetary property soon and i leave ;(
(For the "police" that doesn't know rules: 3.15. Large transfers for the reason of leaving the game etc. are forbidden. Presents must not exceed 30% of the monetary property of the character per month. Monetary property is considered: gold + seven primary resources (wood, ore, mercury, sulfur, crystals, gems, leather) only. Rare trophies, Thief invitations, etc. transferred as gifts are valued at market price.)
Would be bad, 1 year of playing wasted. |
