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New Flash.
If you check the log of the Chat/Forum clan you can see that the new mods have been hired/recruted
05-16-10 -- May 16th 2010.
Thats mean, they got paid 70k gold for not even half a month of work, having a salary of 150k per month ?
Are they losing it ? Is that fair for the old mod receiving nothing for 6 months and before that a mere 25k per month ?? Wow, Im stunned, Im shocked. | Wow, Im stunned, Im shocked.
haha, ur starting to sound more like a sports commentator than a 'reporter'. guess it comes from all the hockey up there, aye? ;)
just wanted to make it clear. this isn't about making the mods feel underappreciated, or that people are angry at them (though i'm sure some are). my lot in it is simply that this really is embarrassing, sad, and disrespectful for the mods of the past (those who really worked their butts off for this server during those Dark Ages).
yes, the salaries are a boost for mods, an extra if you will (truthfully i didnt even know i would get one until i got my first "paycheck" one day 2 years ago). but they ought to be commensurate with the amount of work one gives, and we worked our backsides off back in the day, i feel, just to have ... current moderatorship be rewarded with nearly 5 times my BEST wage.
i'm with you on this one dan. stunned, shocked. | It seems to me that the salary given to LWM staff recently is larger than it should be. I have no idea what the particulars are regarding this, how they came to the amount they did, or what, if any, requirements there are, or if this is salary for a few months, or if they will be getting this much every month.
From what I understand previous salary for Mods was about 25k to 30k per month. This seemed a little much to me, but it equated to about 1k per day. I think this is a reasonable amount, and is roughly the same as enrolling 1 or 2 times. At this amount after one year of service a Mod would get about 360,000 gold, not to shabby.
If current Mods are going to be paid 70k each month after one year they would get 840,000 gold. This is way above what they should be getting. There really isnt that much work for them to do to justify that amount, unless they start dealing with cheaters, then their work will never end.
I hope we get some clarification regarding Mods salary, but this is likely one of many things that are considered taboo for a Mod to talk about. I dont expect any of them will be returning their salary voluntarily, I'm sure they didn't even know what, or if, they would be getting paid. When it is all said and done this is just another topic Mods have no incentive to comment on. It would be nice if they did, but I wont hold my breath. | for Halvspak:
i don't think it's a matter of the mods to speak about it, i believe it falls to the admins/assistants. mostly because i'd say 95% of the mods didnt know they were getting such a horrificly abundantly huge and exaggerated payment.
or if this is salary for a few months
in their transfer logs it says for the month of May. | for Skunder:
I have zero expectations from admins as far giving us any information, we are still waiting on a response from the town hall questions.
I do realize that most if not all Mods were likely not aware of a salary or amount. But if anyone is going to share any information on the new Mods salaries it will be the Mods, not admin or anyone else. But again, it is likely that the Mods have no more info than we do, which is the transfer logs. | I was amazed...hefty payday indeed. Pay should be relative to work done, though. If the mods are doing a lot, then they should be compensated. If they aren't...well...then it is highly excessive. | for Halvspak:
In your post 63 theres a little mistake I wanted to fix. You have speculated 70k for one month. The fact is the actual mods have been only working since May 16th, thats half a month. If you extrapolate over a year, thats 1 680 000 gold. Thats more then what every other mods in the past gathered for all their work done. Ever.
Seeing it that way is even more stunning. | I have a rather radical stance, but I always advocated that mods should not be paid at all. IF one really really wants to give them a token compensation for the time they spend moderating, make it symbolic, like 5000 gold per month (and if you're low level, even that amount is anything but).
In my humble opinion, being Moderators is already paid by the prestige it grants - and that should be enough.
A huge salary for mods means all greedy players will start plotting to become one. Mundane players will have two good reasons to hate mods: first, out of envy, and second, because victims of moderation will get twice as angry realizing not only they are being banned, but the moderator (probably punishing them for wrong reasons in their eyes) get paid for punishing them. It just adds insults to injury. And it opens grounds for a whole new world of complaints like "ha, you're just punishing me to prove you're an active mod and keep your job and your undue salary".
A 70'000 gold wage for two weeks of "work" is a disgrace to people earning gold by enrolling in mines and factories (that is, anyone but mods.)
But as usual, any debate regarding how this game should be run is like talking to a wall. | For anyone who plays on the RU they knew this would come eventually.
As the game gets more populated there is more work to be done. The RU mods get 70-80k a month aswell but then they deal with 12k people on daily basis.
When i was a mod 1 year ago the average wage was 20-30k depending on the amount of work you done. You would get a pm asking how much you thought u deserved. Also the peak amount of people online then was 1300-1500 which wierdly is exactly the same now. | Sorry for double post but i only just noticed this.
06-02-10 15:21 Transferred 200000 Gold to Queen_Amanda : #10 - salary, May
200000?!?!?!
That is majorly OTT. I remember only 3 people in the past that were members of ALL 3 mod clans.
When i asked arctic why they recieved the same amount as everyone else yet done less work i got this reply:
"To pay one person more then the other by signifcant amount would most likely create an uproar of favourtism." Basically saying if they were to be paided 20-30k per clan they were in everyone would complain.
Being paided 200k a month. 2.2mil a year that is WRONG.
For me to earn that sort of gold i have to enroll 12 times a day with LG7. |
Skunder made a deal with administration about saying what we would have to expect, yet we received no confirmation, no replies to our questions and that after quite some time of waiting already.
As an official representative of the administration, I think I may answer to your concerns:
The Town Hall Meeting answers will be posted on the forum a little after the big event which is currently going on .ru server.
I personally will take great care of it. | Thank you dArtagnan: | Thank you dArtagnan
glad to hear we can expect an answer soon :) | dArtagnan back. And telling us news.
That's the sixth sign of Apocalypse!! ^_^ |
That's the sixth sign of Apocalypse!! ^_^
It's the end of the world as we know it... | Actually I had commented on the Townhall Meeting in that thread when DiN posted a comment for me. Post 69.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1880382
but, dartagnan, i really was trying to keep your name out of the limelight to save you alot of headache...didn't you know the amount of PMs your going to be getting now that you mentioned you're an official representative of the administration ?
halvspak:
I have zero expectations from admins as far as giving us any information
same. at least on a public announcement. there are ways around that though. ;) | for Skunder:
I just had a discussion with Queen Amanda and DiN, and decided to reveal myself to give a light to citizens of the Empire ) But thank you )
I think I will be able to cope with these PM's.
AAAGHH!! Here they come O_O | for dArtagnan:
Is it that much trouble to answer questions the population asks, does it really needs to WAIT (as people here have waited enough I think) more for answers we highly deserve ?
Just a question. | for Dan-Panic:
There are 2 people running the game on both servers. No office, no headquarters, nothing. 2 people running the game with ~2kk characters(0.7-1.4kk players) on .ru and ~450k characters (50-120k players) here.
These people have families, kids, problems etc.
And there are assistants - Arctic, Lexa, myself etc. We also have families, problems, a job/a school etc.
I personally don't get anything paid in cash for this. I have my studies at school, 2 little sisters (10 years and 5 months old) and favourite activities in real life.
Don't ask me, why don't the admins delegate some powers to other people, to simplify the situation. I ask myself the same question.
If the admins decided to do the .ru event first there is nothing what I or Lexa or anyone else can change about it, please, understand. | News Flash.
Again a weird decision has been seen from one of our finest.
Could someone really explain (that would requires Queen Amanda to reply for the 'Real' answer) why Queen_Amanda is now recruiting for new moderators ?
On May 16th, a huge amount of mods has been recruited by Cepryuc.
On May 18th, a serie of evictions has been made by Empire. Serie of evictions on active mods and experiences ones, even missing that some mods were inactives. Those inactives mods are still mods at the moment (nice work there).
Empire reason for eviction was 'Too many mods' putting the evicted mods 'In Reserve'.
Now that I understand the reason clearly stated by our Empire. I do not understand now why Queen_Amanda needs to requests new mods applications.
Logically, and stated in the Moderators Post Available thread created by Queen_Amanda. the evicted mods 'In Reserve' should be asked to reintegrate their post if mods are in need.
In any form of respect, that would be the logical thing to do. Also, the reason 'too many' should be not quite the real reason. If so, I think the evicted ones deserve the real reason.
So Amanda, Lexa or any other admin/recruiter should step forward and explain this fishy situation. |
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