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| 6 days, and we begin to see inconsistency already. Can we say changing bad moderators for another batch of bad moderations isnt going to fix the problem ? | "3rd party" can also count as a comment not refering to the matter at hand. If it was something that was already stated and it was more of a pointless comment or a "bump" i would assume it also counts as 3rd party.
Among specialists, the right term for such a post called: "off-topic". ;) | Most funniest thing ever
Look who just used the big sentence we was all against before he was mod.
[Post deleted by moderator DEATHisNEAR // have a complaint mail the secretary mods action not to be discussed in public] | I don't suppose Kotrin and Dan-Panic would like to provide links to the threads where the actions they are complaining about may be found.
For example, I am fairly sure that the comment quoted by Kotrin relates to a thread that was, at some point, in the CaA Forum, where there is a Local Rule regarding 3rd party comment. So a description like that would likely be clarifying the rule for the benefit of the players.
As regards post # 663, once again it all depends on the context. The instances of that rule enforement that were vigorously objected to were mostly the times it happened in a thread intended for discussion of the rules, where it was obviously intended that rules enforcement should be discussed. Instead a Mod who had an interest in removing content that queried the validity of his decisions used his BanHammer indiscriminantly, in a situation where another Mod should have done so, if at all (conflict of interest as I have spoken about before).
I think the obvious absence of links in this case are simply because the "case" presented are so weak that it is necessary to conceal the source.
Grunge | for Grunge:
I know fairly where Kotrin got his : A 3rd party comment from a thread owner is somehow weird, dont you think ? And since the post has been deleted :) We wont know if Queen was right in using such reasons.
As for my post, its in 'More communication' my thread about the problem of communication we are facing in this server.
The post also has been deleted, and asked me to complain to the secretary, something that a lot of people have complained about in this very thread. :)
Theres nothing in need to be conceal, the moderators have concealled there acts themselves in deleting the post :)
Thanks Grunge for defending your clanmates without even checking first :) Its good loyality :) | Heh!
Actually I didn't in anyway know that the complaint you were making was regarding a Clanmate. There were no links.
In case you didn;t know how to do it, here's a link now -> https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1881599
That will take you to your "More Communication" thread. Easy isn't it?
Regarding the deleted post, you are aware that there is a thread where forum rule 1.5 is supended? Having posted in this thread many, many times, you were obviously already aware of this forum rule. So why didn't you simply post your issue here instead? Was it an obvious attempt to create an "issue" so you could post a complaint here? How about you post the content of your message here, and we'll see if it was an appropriate Mod action. I imagine a Mod that can view your message will be able to post your words here sooner or later, unless of course they are inflammatory or insulting perhaps.
Grunge | I have nothing against the deletion of my post Grunge, you missed the point totally :)
What Im laughing at his the simple fact that : Before the assignment of new mods, there was a MASSIVE issue about the Secretary rule, 1.5, where people was against it cause it was the biggest slap in the face a mod could use against a complainer.
What I find totally funny is the fact that now, the roles are reversed :)
Im not even complaining, Im laughing at the actual situation and hyprocisy some new mods can be using now that they are in power position :) Its totally laughable at :) | | @dan-Panic. The difference is secretary mails are currently being responded to. That makes the situation just a bit different don't you think? | for Barbarian-Fishy:
How exactly you know that Secretary mails are being responded to ? You have no clue, nor I do. :) Its nothing different, maybe earlier mails were read or/and now they arent. As far as I know, you have no direct links to them nor have received a reply from Secretary, you are only guessing just like I do. :)
Welcome to the world of Moderators :) | How do you know if I know or don't know? I know you don't know.
And we still have this thread and/or the secretary, so it is better than before. | for Barbarian-Fishy:
Well if you do know that the mails are replied/responded to, you could make a good move and make it known to the whole server :) More communication for the Greater good of the server. You would not hide things to the rest of the community would you ? :P | Lol. I'm sorry, but every time I check on this thread I burst out laughing;, I can't help it, Grunge seems to be quite the drama queen.
for Barbarian-Fishy: If you know something that would raise the moral of the entire server, why should you not release the information. Unless you have a good reason not to which you have not made public. If that is the case I see no reason not to let the reason be known. Unless of course you do not know, in which case you might as well say that :P | 670.
Not writing this in 'taking sides' so it may seem a little off point with the rest of this thread...but I've read similar posts as to, And we still have this thread and/or the secretary, so it is better than before. and I think that some information should be known about this thread which I have aptly named the Poly-debacle Thread.
1. Arctic is not here in lwm anymore, I've posted this elsewhere, so the actual proactive point of this thread is now lost (reread post 1). This thread has only served to let the admins know who is "on which side". That's not my comment but an indirect quote from the current governing admins of .com.
2. This is not the first chance the mods/LWM administration has wanted to hear the voice of the community of issues relating to mods or the game function, I know for sure cepruyc has started one before (nearly a year ago) and even this one I had opened to deal with some situations:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864306&page=0 | for Barbarian-Fishy:
The difference is secretary mails are currently being responded to. That makes the situation just a bit different don't you think?
So if I understand your "logic", previous mods were bad mods because Secretary wasn't replying, and now current mods are good mods because Secretary handles stuff...
Interesting concept. | Response to Post # 674 -
Oh, Kotrin, Kotrin, Kotrin...
Of course you well know that Barbarian-Fishy was saying no such thing.
Again, as we have seen so many times, you are creating words for those you don't agree with, that were never even there (see Kotrins post # 363, my post # 367 and DEATHisNEARs post # 341 if anyone wishes to see previous examples of this behaviour from Kotrin).
The difference Barbarian-Fishy is referring to, is that if someone has an issue with a Mods actions they can post to Secretary and reasonably expect some action in the forseeable future. After all, we have seen a flurry of recent activity from the Admins. Many of these are likely as a result of reports to secretary's mail-box. Witness the quick re-block of IAMyourDEATH (https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4753347) who was apparently kheng (https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4429130) trying to get his character unblocked.
For a good deal of the time that you were a Mod, this simply was not the case. And I believe that some Mods of the time may have started believing that they could act as they pleased, because they thought the Admins would never take the time to rein them in.
Can you see the difference? Again, just because you want to portray *your example* as Barbarian-Fishy's point of view, it doesn't mean that *your example* was even remotely like what he actually meant.
Grunge | Uh, Grunge, you're just basically repeating what I say :S
The difference Barbarian-Fishy is referring to, is that if someone has an issue with a Mods actions they can post to Secretary and reasonably expect some action in the forseeable future.
I fail to see where it constitutes a difference - from the moderator's point of view.
Old mod -> "Please contact secretary" -> Bad, awful, power abuse
New mod -> "Please contact secretary" -> Wonderful AAA+++111, What A Guy!
Don't you think that I would have LOVED to see some Secretary action while I was a moderator? I'm not responsible for Secretary silence during, say, last 2 years. | No, I'm not in any way repeating what you have said.
The simple fact is that *things* *are* *different* *now*. It doesn't mean that todays Mods are "better" as you keep trying to imply that other people are saying. Nor does it mean that the "old" Mods are "worse". It is the *situation* that is currently different. We have yet to really discover whether our new Mods are up to the task or not. I think they should be given the opportunity to demonstrate themselves.
It is an unfortunate fact that for a lot of the period that you (and others) were Mods, there was not a lot of Admin presence. As I have said before (see my post # 217 and 290), the admins should be around to keep the Mods honest.
It's tough being a Mod. Even random posts in this thread show that newer players expect the Mods to have more influence over game processes and development than they actually do have. And when the Admins are away the Mods are the most visible presence of authority on the server. So anyone who has a complaint about the game will invariably expect the Mods to do something about it. This puts unnecessary extra pressure on the Mods that they really shouldn't have to deal with.
But Mods have powers that can affect the game experience for other players. And it's improper for them to use these powers for their own benefit or in a biased fashion (which is why Forum Rule 5.3 exists).
Personally, I think that what we really need is more presence from the Administrators. They could provide guidance and feedback to the Mods as to what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't (and to the players for that matter). They would take the extra, unnecessary pressure off the Mods shoulders, because people would try to speak to the Admins about game problems (and writing to Secretary would actually mean something).
It certainly appears that the Admins are again making their presence known. How long this will last is an interesting question. The true test of our current group of Mods will be how they act when the Admins leave for a long period of time. Will they use their Banhammer to silence any opposition to their actions like other Mods have done in the past (https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864025&page=4)? I hope not. But I *do* hope they will be given the opportunity to show their value to the community.
But I'm sure that you will once again try to make it appear that people have said things other than what they have actually said. You are so very good at it after all, aren't you Kotrin?
Grunge | To whoever said the Secretary is not working:
05-15-10 06:50: Player was imposed a penalty of 5000 gold. // insult in PM; sms_id=2877507
05-15-10 02:17: Player was imposed a penalty of 5000 gold. // offense in PM, sms_id=2393227
Someone has been issuing fines over PM matters...usually that is the job of the Secretary (or insults maybe?)...so who knows who is right in that matter. | Grunge, I don't care about your consistent personal attacks, but you should consider them for what they're worth to the public eye. They're certainly telling more about you than they do about me.
Will they use their Banhammer to silence any opposition to their actions like other Mods have done in the past (https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864025&page=4)? I hope not. But I *do* hope they will be given the opportunity to show their value to the community.
I fear some have already proved what they are worth, there are examples in this very thread. As for previous mods, i fail to see any example of a mod evicted by Empire for moderation wrongdoings, so you're just scandalmongering here, as usual. | Kotrin, I'm simply recognizing an exceptional ability that you possess and have used repeatedly in this thread. I have provided at least one example of where you have used it. see Kotrins post # 363, my post # 367 and DEATHisNEARs post # 341 if anyone wishes to see previous examples of this behaviour from Kotrin. I'm sorry it's not a more positive ability, but when you do this sort of thing repeatedly I don't see how you can complain when people notice. If you find it to be a problem that people point it out, perhaps you should stop doing it?
In post # 674 and 676 you have basically put words into other people's mouth's that simply were not there. In posts # 363 to 370, you pretend to be answering questions put to you, although post # 370 makes it clear that you had no intention of answering any real questions put to you, except perhaps by members of the administration. Also see a good example in post # 595, when viewed in context and in order with posts # 592 593 and 596 it's a clear attempt by someone (who should know better) to mislead anyone that may be reading this thread into believing something that simply isn't true.
If you have such an ability and continue to flaunt it, you can't really complain that people have noticed.
Grunge |
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