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Erebes, that would leaves them with about 2 members and 10 dollars :)
Great idea btw, but I guess everyone is to be blamed and mostly, thanks Arctic for being absent most of the time. I guess Adminsitration wasnt needed afterall, 9 months the server has been hold tightly and up without you being around, I wonder why you cameback ?
Thats a total mess and a lot of people are to be blamed, Arctic, Moderators and the community itself that took over loopholes in rules or unclearly made rules to provoke the staffs.
We should all be banned and blocked for being arse holes. | You see DarkSooth, your proposals are highly unlikely because they involve coding, ie. some work.
Some solutions (like being able to edit one's message) also entirely contradict one of the core value of the game: tracking every minute detail, forever. That's the reason why there can't be a decent forum software here, even if some are free: they don't allow the control admins are so fond of. Don't you know that even the "deleted mails" of your inbox aren't really deleted at all?
As for mods, you're just asking not to have them wash their dirty laundry in public, which should be in moderator 101 booklet, just for consistency and reputation reasons. But that's expecting much from people, and as this very thread shows, regarding leadership and transparency example doesn't really irradiate from the top. | @37
I understand where you come from, and yes you reserve the right to share your opinions and beliefs, but to just lambast any player for that matter is not a fair way to decipher the soloution.
I do not defend anyone in this case. I just point out that typing accusations without concrete and publicly-approved facts and figures, we cant and should not make claims to anyone and then point out which clan they are in. Yes, coincidentally in this issue the ones you point out are from a specific clan, but does that make any difference to you? Or are you now being impartial towards a certain clan? I'm not accusing you, I'm just stating what an outsider might feel after reading your posts.
Thus all I ask is that for you, and me, and for everyone as well, to not base any claims into clan-related issues. I know you are not, but a few of your sentences might give impressions of that.
Eg.
1. It's a LoS made topic, it's always 3 or 4 guys of LoS complaining, accusing others, insulting others or in general seeking and creating trouble. Maybe it's their hobby, I don't know.
2. the LoS side, which is constantly playing with their "power" and "influence" by beeing in the jury.
I do not think it is so hard to refrain from having clan affiliations in this, dont you think so? Come now, lets have frank discussions as players and not draw a 'clan' line and poke fun among each other.
Regards,
arc | for arcanyx:
You want names : Modi, Limustudotcom and DEAHTisNEAR
I think thats what she meant in saying its LoS guys :)
Thanks for being hardshelled headed about understanding that she was talking about your leaders :) | To Dan-Panic
I will put it bluntly but well in line of being both honest and logical:
I know who she means. I know what she means. Most of all, I UNDERSTAND what she means. I'm not being hardshelled, all I was just asking for was maturity in making these issues personal affairs rather than clan-based.
Even YOU think it is a clan issue by saying your last line, but I cant blame you, and I also forgive you for it. What I was trying to prevent was what you just reinstigated, but I guess thats just human nature.
Please, for everyone, keep this as a Moderator-Player relationship which is being discussed about. There is no need to spark tensions with bringing in clan narratives. Unless one wants to purposely cause unrest.
arc | @43
OK, to make it even clearer: I don't have any problems with LoS as a whole clan. I assisted many of them in hunts, had good conversations with a few and would never say something bad about the average player who is member of that clan. I don't even know most of the members, like I don't know most of the members in WGW.
My words were directed to some leading members of LoS, firstly Modi and Deathisnear.
And when I write in forum, I write as an individuum, not primary as a member of WGW, just forget that sign beside my name, it's not so important to me.
I don't care for clan politics (because they have no use at all yet).
I just can't stand people who try to appear as victims while using every opportunity to cause trouble and offend others. And in this case it's really difficult not to draw a clan line, because "accidently" it's always the same bunch of players who opens up or inspires such topics. | LoL, I havent made it a clan thing, I have use straight Facts :)
Anyways, its not suppose to be about Clan Wars, its the big bad Moderators. :) | | I see we have an old fashioned public lynch mob, thanks for bringing back life to the server Arctic :) | For quoting Arcanyx Unless one wants to purposely cause unrest.
Thats totally what Modi, DEATHisNEAR and limustudotcom did everyday since they joined. They over and over have used every single chances they got to CAUSE UNREST in the community, are you just blind or it comes with other trouble ? | @46
To be honest, the same goes for me. I practically know WGW players since I played alongside them during events one time ago. And I do not make clans an issue either. Thus my only concern is that eventhough we both (and Dan, since he's here as well) are not making it clan issues, we have to ensure our words dont contradict that. Thats practically ALL I have been asking, nothing more.
And to Dan @47
Facts indicate something verified and in which all truth has been proven. I know you do not intend on making clan issues, neither do I. Yet lets just be the adults we are and not spark tensions (especially your name calling [hardshelled headed, like how'd you cook THAT up? lol], I find them amusing and fun but others might not :P)
Anyways, its not suppose to be about Clan Wars, its the big bad Moderators.
You and I both know Mods are just doing their jobs, whether or not they are pleasing to some, that lies in the personal afflictions :) | Apologies for double post, was away before typing the previous one and didnt see Dan's @49.
Being blind doesnt even give me a chance to play this game, so yeah. I have all but this left to say really: Does any single person or persons represent the community? I respect all personal views, but not views which are portrayed as the opinion of the 'community' when it is clearly not proven to be.
Back to being on topic:-
I just came across something which I used to be curious about. How are Mods chosen in the first place? It might be common knowledge to some, but I dont really know actually. | | Hey dan , lets talk about origin of french fries , or rather about modi's palate . I am missin modi , he is just so good at peace efforts ! | Well Erebes, I could talk to you about the Origins of Poutine, the famous meal here :P
Its made out of French Fries, but one day, a guy who was a bit tired of the boring taste of it decided to add some sauce over his french fries, which made them taste smoothie and juicy, but accidently he also dropped cheese in it, which made the fabulous poutine (Those arent facts, those are just to right a useless post).
I think its the same as the poutine creation, people being bored, tried to add some sauce in their life for being mod or troublemakers, and the rest of the community is the cheese that fell it unvolunteerly
Wow I impress myself up with my so good analyse and comparision about the Poutine creation and the actual mess ! | @53
Lol, you impress me with analogies which sidestep my point, but once again, forgive. I rest my case since I have said all that needed be.
To all Mods: I wish you all the best of luck in handling issues, and all the best in being fair and impartial in your duties.
To all players: cheers and have fun. :) | for Nutella:
You keep saying its not about Los vs WGW but you are pointing those clans out more than most posts here.
And yes I see both sides of the issue here, the problem is one side has power (Mods) while the other side does not. When a Mod issues a ban be it 1 hour, or 3 days, for something they consider not allowed on the forums is not a problem. The problem is when it is not uniformly enforced for everyone making the same type of posts. This is made worse when they refuse to clarify what will and what wont be allowed.
Now think what would you do if you received a ban for something but see others doing the same thing but not being banned. Then when you ask what is allowed at best you get a vague response, or are told to write secretary (which we all know is pointless). Any attempt to find out why you were banned but others werent and how you can follow the rules is shutdown by Mods because you can not discuss their actions.
Seems to me you are left with just two choices. Either dont make posts that come close to being bannable (even though others can) or try to find out what will be banned and what wont. Now if you choose the second option some can say you are pushing the limits and provoking the Mods, but what other choice is there when anyone that could define what is and isnt allowed refuses to.
You can blame the mods if you want, or the players raising issues about them, but I think the real problem can be summed up by three things.
inconsistent enforce of rules
refusal to clarify the rules
non-functioning appeal process
Much of this could be avoided or ignored if we had the smallest amount of involvement from the Admin, which I agree with many should be the real topic of concern. Unfortunately it seems trying to get any response or information from or about the admin and our future is a waste of time, which leaves us to take to matters that we do have some control over. Which is where we are at. | Lets all forgive and forget :)
Forgive the admins for not being interested in our server and forget about this game :) Niciest idea EVER ! | Why don't we use this topic to discuss something and make a boundary on what actions are considered "abusive power" and should be avoided by Mods? Why don't we give a suggestion to solve the problem rather than bickering around ?
Let me give you some examples on what I consider as "abusive" by Mods (and they might not realize it). Please keep in mind, that this is just my opinion. You can discuss it freely whether you consider it as "abusive" or not. Hopefully, we won't see it in the future.
1. Moderator make a post in forum, and then realize that he makes mistake and then DELETE his post with comments such as : "my mistake" or something like that.
-> Please remember... you were being given the power to delete a post because you have to use it to delete an OFFENSIVE, RUDE, or UNACCEPTABLE post to make the forum in order. NOT to give you "POWER" to HIDE your mistake. If you make a "stupid" mistake, well... accept it and let other players read it. Just be more careful next time before you post. You should act like any other players for not being able to edit (read:delete) your post in this case.
2. Similar to #1, Moderator make a post in forum and then Ban himself.
-> Again, please remember.. if you know that your post deserve a ban before you even click the "Post Message button", don't do it. It is a "rule breaking" action. You are here to prevent that. Not breaking the rule yourself (even if it was meant as humour). You should not playing around with the Ban power like this.
That is all for the moment. I might add some in the future | | Ahh , but dan we have been forgiving the admins ever since we started playing this game and efforts to forget this game have been unsuccesful . | Actually, I'm patently and steadfastly refusing to discuss what a moderator (or Jurist or Keeper for that matter) should or should not do. Isn't that Arctic's job to decide? Since we apparently cannot have updates, at least he could take the time to manage his staff. I'm certainly not going to attempt to do that job for him. It's insulting to us as customers that he even created this thread. We aren't given input into anything else in the game, yet we are expected to participate in the public excoriation and listing of faults of HIS staff?
You cannot rule by both consensus and dictatorship simultaneously (or in absence at all). This game is rightly a dictatorship (as are nearly all games with the administration holding final power) and to suddenly seek consensus on how to manage the staff of the game is beyond absurd. | @55:
You keep saying its not about Los vs WGW but you are pointing those clans out more than most posts here.
Well, mods are mainly members of WGW, juriests are all members of LoS. So it's hard not to mention this two clans, isn't it?
A leading LoS member is obviously responsible for this topic (Deathisnear), another leading member had big problems with mods, too (Modi, just have a look at his alt "Baugler", I think that's enough). It's nothing new, that there are personal disputes between these two and some mods.
Your clan mates are no choirboys and if you followed their dispute with forum and chat mods a bit, you won't deny that they provoked many of their ban.
The mods themselves should write more about it, but maybe they think like I think now. I somehow refuse to write more in this useless discussion about too long arrows and too almighty forum mods in a unimportant flash game.
I'm asking myself why this discussion was brought into public. There are obviously only a few players who feel mistreaded by forum mods (I still don't see the masses of players who complain about mod power abuse), so it may have better been discussed between the few people who are involved in it.
Like this it HAD to become a "political topic". |
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