| Author | Discussion polygon: LWM Staff - Moderators |
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| I want to say my opinion about staff-mods. We need more active mods and if needed to recruit more mods. Its pretty bad for the game that a character that has done many illigal transfers isnt blocked and is just given a heavy penalty after a lot of months... (a simble example is the kulu8 case) |
for Slynky:
#151
You bring up many valid and thought out points. Personally I agree that the whole issue of forum bans is overblown. As far as I know I have never received a ban and if I did it was over before I noticed. Even if I did get a ban for many days, deserved or not, I could care less. I dont play this game so that I can post on the forums.
But I think you and I, or anyone else, would feel different if it was us being banned from the forum for things we see others being allowed to do. Regarding option #2 finding out what will and wont be allowed, if we take matters into our own hands and explore when we get banned then complaining about the ban is pointless. The goal was to get banned, and thus define the limits. But I dont think anyone questioned those banns, the question was why can others get away with the same thing with no ban.
#154
Certainly prior offenses should play a factor in a Mods choice to warn or ban, and for how long. And certainly some rule infractions are more severe than others, Mods have to have some degree of variance and discretion in their rulings. However, based on this same argument, if you are banned for doing something but I am not it creates a record for you and the next time you get banned it is more severe because of prior offenses. Meanwhile I never got a ban and have a clean record and am allowed to continue with similar behavior.
Other behavior of Mods that should be looked at is in posts
#70
#103-105
#107
Be advised that like much of these thread post can be argumentative and off topic, but still they raise legitimate concerns.
The most troubling thing I have seen from Mods is when they delete a post on the grounds that it questions a Mod, and then say to write the secretary. As I have stated so many times before that is a slap in the face, see post #75. It has already been well established that Mods are human and make mistakes like the rest of us. I dont think it is out of line to assume then like all humans Mods have the ability to use their power to cover up and attempt to prevent others from learning or speaking of their mistakes.
Remember Mods are players too, they have friends, and enemies. But they should not use there powers as Mods to benefit their friends and hurt their enemies. And that is why we need to be able to discuss their actions without them censoring us.
Most cases are simple rule infractions with standard punishments and do not deserve responses from Mods when questioning them. But some decisions Mods make should be questioned. And all Mods decisions should be justified, nobody expects Mods to be perfect, but the should be held accountable. |
I find these personal attacks on me unfounded and without merit.
I have not been taunting the the MODs, I already posted a list of ALL my previous bans (including the contents of the deleted posts).
None of the these posts (including the last 2 for which I got 2x 3 day bans) were either illegal in any way or intended to provoke anyone. I do not insult anyone in any of my forum posts.
If I have posted about a problem with any actions by MODs, I have also posted the proof of this (with links to threads where relevant).
When I pointed out that Kotrin had deliberately lied about my ban history in attempt to provoke a reaction (in my opinion), to insult me and to blacken my character - I did not rise to this and insult him back. Instead I simply posted the complete list of my ban and the proof that what he said was untrue.
People are accusing me of provoking the MODs by deliberately making illegal posts. Well prove it! Reply with a link to a post I have ever made doing this together with what rule my post broke.
People are accusing me of insulting specific clans and people. Well prove it! Reply with a link to specific posts where I have done this.
People are accusing me of breaking the rules. Well prove it! Reply with facts and proof that I have done this together with what rules I have broken.
You will find that you are unable to do this as they do not exist.
On the other hand I have posted proof, facts and links which clearly show how a small number of MODs have been acting outside their remit and abusing their MODs powers. |
Wow, you're still at it.
#151 in my opinion explained very well, what's going on here.
Maybe I've read over it, but...
Would anybody of the victims (if there are more then one) tell the reading community:
What should be the next step after this discussion?
Should a mod apoligize in public?
Should a mod get fired? (Who will replace him/her?)
Something else?
What would make you calm down? :)
Talk straight, please, this eloquent blablablobb about a chat ban and it's responsibilty for all world's evil is funny, but senseless. |
well, i just see and notice this page, after i see the 1st post, and simply scroll down. i see a red ink at post 9 and see it carefully
this is what come in to my mind :
"wtf, an other thread for mods to show off? draw attention?"
"What is he trying to do? show off he is a mod power?"
"can't this fellow used private mail?"
"is he think that banning itself is very cool to show off?"
well fine, what ever it is, some people just don't think and simply post.
i rather prefer those mod who don't give much comment, don't simply use his baning power
but help to answer question ask by player, only ban people who is very, really annoying, like i use to be as a "flooder" |
jezz. too much off topic.
I am so busy so I cannot write serious topic now.
Let get back with the main idea of this topic.
About WGW and LoS fight... do not fight in this topic anymore.
Bring the fight between 2 clans out of this topic.
This is a 'battle fight game' not 'typing fight game'
Why dont we bring the 'game war' between 2 clans. Bring your best 3 players in each level and fight.
The winners will take it all. ^^ |
| [Post deleted by moderator Pang // ] |
guys, it is getting too far. too much off-topic. it is getting become a clan fight on OFG.
take this as mercy warning, this topic suppose to discuss on mod behavior on action and power abuse. any further discussion about clan attacking (from 170th posts) will get atleast 24 hrs ban. |
| [Post deleted by moderator Pang // i do read previous post; off topic] |
Guys and gals, calm now. Its all ENDED. No more clan related issues. Am I the only one has reiterated this since my first post?
Regarding any personal attacks and so forth, lets just all DROP IT. Nothing of those matter IN THIS THREAD. Those who have said what they said, if deemed untrue by some, should be taken up with those concerned personally.
I rest my case. The last mention of these things from me unless once again provoked to issue a statement.
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Back on topic.
MODs. Purpose to moderate. Someone who presides over a forum, debate or discussion. Thus to moderate requires certain degrees of power in order to keep things in proper place. But to what degree is this power given?
As we all know, prevention is better than cure. The thread is to discuss certain MODs actions which were deemed unfavourable to some. These actions are sometimes valid, and needed for the situation. And yes, MODs are human too, thus the probability of human error. But to reduce the problem with misjudgment, we need to measure just how much power a MOD should have on forums. Opinions anyone? |
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(sorry, the last part of the message has been snipped)
Fee free to add more types of abuses if you feel like. The interesting part is that ALL claims of abuses except B can be very easily checked by facts - not by indirect reports of a chat conversation taking place somewhere in december 2009, or the eerie feeling that "mods are after me". I would not even count disclosed private messages on that one: it's too easy to report only part of a conversation.
Any complaint from anyone against anyone and not bringing these basic elements of proof is just scandal mongering. |
for Kotrin:
in fact, the rules 4.2 is refer to so called 'long string violation' which can common found on other online forum or chat. yet, the arrow length case which happen previously can fall under this rule.
i failed to see what's wrong on the moderation in that case.
i try to not enforce such rules too hard although many players still using the arrow thingy in GaC sub forum. yet, i start thinking whether i should drop in to mod the topic or not now. |
Well, funny as it is, two solutions.
a) Define "extremely large amount of characters". For example arrows or similar highlights to a maximum of 5 characters are allowed, everything more get's punished.
b) Define a standard topic title like in the clan forum. Maybe "Congrats to X for reaching Y". Everything else gets punished.
(As we don't have enough rules in this game, but if people really want it...) |
| I agree that a few more rules should be drafted out, such as the number of characters which are used in thread titles. This might reduce the probability of confusion arising among the community on certain "unknown and unseeable" rules. Just my few points. |
G. Lame attempts at humor. You can't have fun with everybody. Sometimes humorous comments left in a ban message can cause a good laugh (confirmed by PM) and put things in perspective, sometimes it's seen as a provocation by the sensitive kind and adds more fuel to their frustration.
i'm sorry to put it this way, but your sense of humor really is lame. there's no need to be a sensitive child to figure it out that way.
i say something + you ban me + you say the opposite + you're wrong + you make it sound like i'm an idiot, and i can't reply = power abuse
=> i'm glad you're out of the mod team :)
But honestly, if mods don't even have any freedom on that one it will make the job even less appealing than it already is.
oh, i'm so sorry ;( |
I restate the obvious:
All rules are subject to interpretation. That's why moderation is made by human beings and not an automated software.
The number of characters usable in a title already exist. One can easily generate pointless or annoying titles while playing under the technical limit. I definitely see a solution in point b) of Nutella's post above - and 100% agree with the attached comment.
I wonder if you evoked rule 4.2 when writing about "unknown and unseeable" rules. If it's the case then I beg to disagree: rule 4.2 is one of the few understandable rules around. There's even an example! |
for Korzika:
i'm sorry to put it this way, but I'm not moved at all by your lame flaming attempt. Glad to make you happy by resigning.
Thanks for highlighting my point - you're obviously not of the sensitive kind; and bursting with humor, as your post shows XD
Have a good day, mister. |
Another rule, is it really what we need ?
For those who likes to know where the rules limit are, or want more details rules, more rules. I suggest that you start already writing the new BOOK of rules.
I dont see why people can't use common sense in read the actual rules but if what is needed is a complete book of rules, lets start right now.
I mean, we can take each and every single ban and make a rule out of it. The arrow length, the flaming (oh yeah already a rule about that one, but its a bit charged up, we should definitly split that rule into 3 so we can definitly know what every word of the rules mean).
Come on, is it really too hard to use common sense and no search for possible loopholes in the set of rules we have now ?
Or do we really have to follow my first idea of writing a BOOK of rules ? |
I can't understand why some people don't like Kotrin as moderator.
In my opinion, he is a good moderator. You think we can get better than him? I don't think so.
Maybe he made some mistakes but you can't expect to have a moderator that can please everyone.
Now we loss him and it's hard to have a new one who as good as he is. |
