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How would you judge who is adult? And even harder mature!
Adults is hard to judge over the internet (how old am I, I know but you don't)
Mature, Am I mature, I think I know and I am sure you don't know...
I can't see why people is so upset, I and my two friends from RL have never experienced any problem with MOD. I have read alot of Kortin post because I am in the same clan as him, and I judge them to be very mature.
I also read cruel post by people who are in the jury clan, but I don't know the whole history so I try not to judge, even though I can't see any basis for that kind of behaviour... it is after all just a game | All of you guys keep saying how 'human' mods are. The big explanation (or excuse for some) for some mods' behaviours and the rising level of manure we experiencing atm.
This is why mods can not be in power for a long time and there must be a high turn over to keep them fresh and a 'rewarding' experience being in authority (the low level of admin *cough* one? *cough* on .com proves that they get tired very quickly).
But then why bother about the 'policemen/mods' when the 'country/.com' is sinking? Dont we have other more pressing issues? lol as if a clean forum gonna make this game 're-surface'.
But why am I not shocked by Artic's first post after a mini-second dark age, being a distraction for the angry and frustrated mob? | one mod resigned, and we have a scandal here.. .com is like a small village. face it, he wasn't much of a mod anyway. he may be a nice person, and maybe he's a good clan leader, and maybe something more, i don't know, but wasn't much of a mod. so what's the big fuss? 6 pages of WGW vs LoS, doesn't impress others and i don't think it's interesting to anyone including Arctic who is a member of WGW. so take it elsewhere. this might be a good place:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_thread.php?id=115
on topic:
mods should get payed on monthly bases again. it will increase the number of candidates.
they are supposed to be impartial, without any personal attitude (when banning). they should be more polite. i can't stand to see people like Pang, banning someone, calling them stupid etc. that's power abuse and it should end. i am sorry, i can't provide links to prove it. don't want to waste my time searching for threads closed ages ago.
also, as someone mentioned it, when mods ban, they should refer to the rule that's being broken, and restrain from sharing their personal opinion with us. we don't really care what's on your mind, thank you | I said I wouldn't talk any further, but the whole thing gets "funny". Not trying to offend anyone and if I’m wrong in anything I’m free and willing for debate.
DEATHisNEAR
Post 81:
I think that Arctic's decision to discuss this publically was a very wise move. For a start it shows that he values "OUR" opinions! Not just a small number of MODs or others who have his ear but each and every player here.
Right, the one who has Arctic’s skype and made him finally visit our server (while everyone other’s pleas for equally or more serious matters are ignored) talks about players equality...
The more you carry on, the more obvious it is to everyone how the old system worked. Anyone who stood up to Kotrin and partners just had their posts deleted and received bans while other's of his friends jumped in with "I dont have any personal stake in this but . . ." thus trying to manipulate people perceptions and opinions of a person or group while they were silenced so could not stick up for themselves. These days are past now though as anyone reading here can see.
He he, like you’re not trying to manipulate people perceptions and opinions … I’ve received 2 bans by my beloved leader that doesn’t touch his friends. And I had openly disagreed with him on the Kusika matter (I’m entitled to my own opinion) and didn’t receive any bans then as I talked civilized.
You’re a man of strong will and that’s a good thing generally, but you’re trying to project your own thoughts to others while ignoring anyone’s opinion (check our pm’s to see it clearly :) )
Limustudotcom
Firstly, I had a good opinion for you generally, trying to do the right thing usually (at least that was shown by some of your posts in forum as I don’t know you personally). But all your posts here show your empathy towards Kotrin with some “polite” insults. That makes me question the pure and innocent intentions for your quest clearing the server by the Kotrin menace… And that humiliating attitude towards those who don’t have English as a native language is overboard.
Kotrin
I can understand if you’re frustrated by the whole thing against you, but some immature posts you’ve made after resigning are in the wrong way.
Arctic
I know you’re one man trying to do his best against the odds but you lost control of the whole situation here. Opening a thread for a public trial and leaving at the same moment is not a wise move. And even though Kotrin resigned I’d like to see if his prosecutors were right. And if they were right I’d like their intentions exposed, innocent or not. And if they were partially responsible for leading the things to this out of empathy and through provocations I’d like to see what you’ll do about it. It requires some time, but that’s “justice for all”. | I can understand if you’re frustrated by the whole thing against you, but some immature posts you’ve made after resigning are in the wrong way.
I'm not frustrated at all, actually, it's quite the opposite. Resigning relieved me of much pressure and of the shackles of politically correct speech. I'm glad I'm now finally able to make immature posts like anyone else, and the various support messages I received regarding these prove that people certainly appreciate the new Kotrin more than the old one.
People are so used to Kotrin-the-moderator that they haven't grasped the change yet. For example, LimustuModiIsNear continue attacking whatever "bias" they imagine I was having. But I don't care about these petty attacks against me because they're just IRRELEVANT. They can last all day long, all they can cause is a good laugh from me. The frustration may be elsewhere...
I can even look like a fool, who cares? But explaining my feelings at the moment may be hard to understand for someone that have not lost his freedom in the last two years, like I did.
But please go on people, this thread is extremely diverting. | Personally, I think it is good that their is free speech where people can speak candidly without fear of direct recompense. This provides an area for people to read and form their own opinions about people. I know I have re-assessed what people have said, and up and down regulated people from both clans in terms of maturity and apporpriate action. More information, to more people can only be a good thing. IT is a lack of communication that usually precipitates most problems.
With regard to any changes. I think clear rules will help, but not solve. At the end of teh day, while forum bans are a pain I am sure, and must be a knock to your pride. They are far from significant in any meaningful way. After all they are only temporary and block something that need not be any significant part to the game.
We need more to help, a clearer sense of what is allowed and not. And as for teh rest of it, just take the rough with the smooth. | Seven pages.... Amazing!
Kotrin had left, and what is the main problem?
Historicly he was Mod before Military Clan as well as Arctic!
Add the time spent being mods and add the time being "Gamers"... Where is the pleasure? Banning players just for fun and pleasure??? Hating other clans???
All i can tell right now : Mods, jurists and keepers must not be in a Military Clan since kotrin is no more Mod. | This topic breaks the roof in troll/flame bait epicness, and it's posted by an admin! (assistant, but still).
Seriously Artic, do you really believe that a public lynching is the way to go?
This will in my opinion lead to 3 things:
- Your own discredit for not being able to solve a very simple problem.
- Discredit in mods, wich could bring the massive game cheating to forum rule breaking.
- A "bashing team" wich shouldn't be too happy about their "victory" because they will be the next one thrown to the lions.
Just to make things clear, i've no relation with any of the two sides. | Very well spoken, triplebuzze. That cuts right to the heart of the matter. There are no winners in this situation, only losers and it was all entirely avoidable with but an iota of discretion and personnel management. If this ill-advised thread was to go to even the slightest good purpose, it should have been meticulously watched by Arctic after he posted it. Instead, he posted it and went offline about 10 minutes later, not to return since. I suspect that when and if he returns to view this thread, he will not enjoy the reaping of what he has sown.
If this is the management style to be expected by staff from their leader, all those left should be greatly concerned. If this is the treatment that staff receives, we as a community of regular players outside the inner circle should be scared witless. | | This really is pathetic...here come several WGW complainers, saying LoS this, or LoS that. Sad. I never once said I had a problem with WGW as a clan, or even singled out an issue with WGW itself. My entire post was about Kotrin, a person that has abused the forum community for over a year, unchecked during the dark ages. Arctic came back, he cooled off, but Arctif left--and Kotrin went on rampage again. Cyclical. See, you poor folks cannot even begin to see this for what it is...an issue with a moderator--not your clan leader. I even said in Kotrin's resignation thread that he makes a good clan leader, and should apply his passion in being a regular player...where it won't get him into trouble.
However, here we read Kotrin's usual rants when things are not going his way as well. Baseless, and emotional tirades. We also see a bunch of immature kids (and adults) who are throwing out LoS conspiracy theories...yes...as if I had the time to orchestrate this huge LoS "war" with another clan on the forums...I have a life...you guys should seek one.
For those that have implied I seek to become a Mod--read my posts more carefully next time, and not so emotionally...you'll miss key details, like the fact I said that I wouldn't make a model Mod. I don't have time for it. I do what I can for my clan, but lately, I have been relying on people like Modi and DEATHisNEAR to run things during my busy times. There was a 'dark' time in my life when I could of been a Mod (work was so damn slow). But it only lasted a summer.
This did give me an idea though. Mods should clock in a certain amount of hours per week, consistently (being sick, vacations, exempt of course) if they want to be taken seriously. If they cannot put in the time, then they should step aside for people that don't work, don't have kids, etc to dedicate more time to this ship.
The forums are only one aspect of the game. It is a shame that so many naive people cannot move past this, and continue to point fingers, and further scare out new players from the forum. I'll conclude with the same thought as before: End the rain of terror, and bring in some sunlight so things can grow.
Cheers,
LS | limustudotcom -
For someone who obviously takes such pride in being logical, rational, and unaffected by emotions, please consider the following...
In this thread alone, you have referred to WGW posters broadly as:
-KIDS
-immature kids (and adults)
-complainers
-naive
-poor writers
-poor reasoning skills
-merely some kids with developing grammar
-poor arguments backed by poor writing
If you wish this thread to focus on Kotrin, then I'd ask that you either address the targets of your aspersions directly and not as "WGW complainers" or "WGW KIDS" or accept that in return there are going to be broad aspersions directed back at LoS. You cannot have it both ways and if you are as logical, rational, and clear-headed as you claim, this should be self-evident. | Further applying the logic, those remarks were directly a RESPONSE to numerous WGW postings slandering LoS as a clan...so...goes right back to the beginning.
I never said anything against WGW. WGW did say a lot about LoS, brought lots of hate and animosity because they sawe their beloved "Clan leader" losing something he shouldn't have (Moderator privis)--instead of seeing Kotrin as a player that shouldn't be a Mod.
This is self-evident. Just be sure to include everything next time. | I never said anything against WGW
Umm yes you did . refer back to your earlier posts.
from post #61
"This really is a joke...the discussion is about moderator actions, and a bunch of KIDS from WGW steer right off topic--I only assume you're children/very-young-teens because of how poorly you write, and how flawed your reasoning skills are"
"Kotrin and his cronies were distributing positions of power among HIS circle. Now you'll see a bunch of mods saying "That's it, we quit too," bla bla bla."
Would you care to revise your last statement ? | #134
No I do not...I said a bunch of kids from WGW (read the posts, it was a logical conclusion. After the fact I learned that some were non-native english speakers probably using translators...which turn everything into poor writing anyway...I apologized for this later and said I would be more sensitive)--I never said the Clan was made up entirely of kids.
I said Kotrin and his Cronies WERE distributing positions of power among HIS circle--I never said his clan, per say. This is also an undisputed fact. Granted that most of the appointments were from WGW are merely a coincidence I am sure.
I don't see how this served the allegation that I never called out WGW like various WGW members called out LOS as an entire clan.
Cheers,
LS | for limustudotcom:
Just for the fact of being an English server with International purpose, you should definitly SWITCH your way of thinking and give benefit of doubts to those that write poorly. You did the same for me as well as Modi did, you guys take such pride in writings perfect English that you are blinded by it. Thats show how mature you are, can't see that this is World Wide and not English only, or American. God ! | I never said anything against WGW
I beg to differ. See my notes in post 132. All of those are directly lifted from your posts in this thread. None are directed at specific WGW members, but are instead broadly addressed to all the WGW posters in this thread. Nowhere did you reference a specific post # or poster with those specific comments. If your intention was to respond to specific accusations or aspersions, that was not adequately conveyed by your choice of wording.
Further, logical, rational, clear-headed people do not have to resort to insulting comments to make their points. Any of the comments I listed in post 132 would in nearly all situations be considered insulting. Why do you resort to such comments? | #136
I never assume someone isn't an English speaker when I read their work. They have to disclose that if they want to be taken seriously. Most of the time...they are just kids that don't know what they're talking about. My combat logs are FLOODED with young kids writing in my battles.
#137
Hopeless. Those messages were a reply to the posters--I clearly said so in the posting that it was a reply to WGW postings prior to that point. You said so yourself: "broadly addressed to all the WGW posters in this thread." But your posters were slandering LoS as an entire clan. Sometimes they specifically attacked DiN, Modi or myself. But often, it was a rant against LoS. Heck, read further, some even said they want the server shut down because LoS is on it...
Insults are only insults when they are not true. The fact remains the same, you are taking my criticism of several members of WGW acting out emotionally as insulting. To me it is disgusting. To you it is insulting for me to point it out. Just swallow the truth for once: The WGW posters in question failed to differentiate Kotrin from WGW, and thus, ran their mouths tossing insults at not just me + leadership of LoS, but to the ENTIRE CLAN of LoS (not just the posters).
Cheers,
LS | This is ridiculous stop ripping shreds out of each other. This achieves nothing
but my own personal opinion: half you people arent even involved in the whole kotrin thing, in fact most of you | If the Kotrin thing is he was a bad mod, then everybody who has posted msg on forum is part of it... Or are those who think the mod only treated them fair and just not allowed to speak?
I been banned a couple of times, but never experienced them as power hungry baby eating machines like people make them out to be. (this is both b4 and after i joined WGW) |
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