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[Mirror] Lords&Heroes. FSP gap.


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Author[Mirror] Lords&Heroes. FSP gap.
ur arguing is useless, these people are just blind and dont see the difference of cucumber and uh...uh. And admins/arctic doesn't care, so i think there will be no fsp balance in this community, it should have been done already. just live with it or stop tryin...
What you are saying is that once we reach a medium MG and HG level, we should stick to CG.

Close but not exactly what I had in mind. Make provisions for the next levels and adjust your MG accordingly. In my case, I quit conspirators quests when they reach {7} when I was CL 11. I may do conspirator {8} at CL 13 or an arbitrary future CL depending on how I feel. The trick is to keep them at a certain threshold relative to your CL. With hunts, it is even simpler. I do only white. It's not very scientific but it ensures that my cumulative hunts do not exceed a certain XP per FSP per CL. Meanwhile, you grab every chance for CG.

Try that for 2 years in an underpopulated server.

Moot. I could push my claim but neither of us will agree because merge already happened. I was doing fine before the merge. If I did not find a white hunt or a weak enough quest or a CG opponent it simply meant that I could do something else in the internet. Plus, not finding any of those desired battles is a perfectly valid excuse to camp and build my LG and gold reserves until someone active in CG steps into my CL. XD
"they would have quit TG in February 2012"

me,me,me,me, over here
+ 1 million

how am i supossed to compete with people in ST.

they are going to reach fsl 9 when i cant even reach 8
Grusharaburas: Close but not exactly what I had in mind. Make provisions for the next levels and adjust your MG accordingly. With hunts, it is even simpler. I do only white.

This strategy was exactly what I had in mind too. It leaves few battles each level. The rest will be CG. It will take a very long time for each new level. In reality, this would leave com with campers playing other games. Those other games will attract a large percentage of the players, and they will quit.

Now, look what happened. We had a dwindling number of players. Those that played for fun and didn't care much for exp/fsp stayed because they had something to do. I'm generalizing, but I think this is what happened.

At ru your strategy would work very well. You had more other battles beside CG and events added to that. You would gain levels from those in enough pace to get new MG/hunts in a reasonable time.

Apart from that, those events gave great FSP bonus.
might as well stop complaining and just live with it, If admins were gonna give us free fsp to "bridge the gap" then they woulda already done so. There are only two options left: live with the disadvantage and improve your tactics, or leave the game in frustration. On .com server I was competing against nebura in lv 13 ST de faction when I was fsl 2 and he was 9, Despite my way lower fsl I always came close to his score(getting second place) Sure he won, but it proves that tactics can overcome disadvantages(as long as they arent too extreme)

I will have to compete against fsl 10 elf in elf faction. He has gotten farther then I have already, but I WILL beat him :)
I have to say that agree with slayerofall.

In .com I play with care in order to get good exp/fsp ratio and be a strong player but here Im a very mediocre player ( in fsp terms ).
The lack of events, the almost impossible to organice GC battles and the terrible!! TG exp ratio that we had in .com was a disaster.

But here we are now, with our old characters, and what to do?
Two ways, or we left the game or we can try the best of ourselves.

I understand that now the gap is too big , but later on when passing from FL11 to FL12 takes 8000fsp, a "little" 2000fsp gap will be almost negligible.
Of course a little fsp gift from admins will be very wellcome :)

By now we (.com players) have a little advantage ( as i see ) , most .ru players have done contest participants and lots of TG battles, they had now much harder battles than we .com players.
We are just in the beggining so we have more chances to win TG and Contest battles than .ru players

With a bit of work a good tactics Im sure we can be tough opponents.

In this battle all players was between 6000 and 8000 fsp , I had only 5000fsp but my team win so not all in this game is fsp, epecially if you found a good and friendly .ru player like most Ive found ;)

Wizz DE + Barb vs Dark Demon + Might DE
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=509464640
hi everybody! my first msg in GGF, don't u plz bury me here 4 it =)

of course u spent much time to develop your chars but what's da fun?
old kind fun of tactical carnage?
I got over 9k fsp (FL15), less than 800 points to get 11 Knight ability.
And that's really far from uberWunderWaffe.
My good friend has much lower numbers, but one of the most stable CG winner (80-90%). We lost only once during 15FL together.

My point is enough calculating, get fun! I've seen many foresters with huge fsp number but unable to solve simple tactical task. Is it your aim?

+ u shouldn't care about exp-overeating after 17FL.

Leave your gum, get some fun =)
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=509464640 [# chat $ E] one of the worst example of DD play
Id love to hear a response from Admins, Empire or Arctic about the FSP gap. I wonder what their thoughts on the subject are??
Is it contagious? When the lords came to .ru they started lamenting as most of .ru forums.
There is not a big fsp gap and with time everyone in this world becomes equal. If you are ill-handed no extra-fsp can help you. Be patient and with time there will be no fsp gap at all. I believe that most com-players are the same as average .ru player.
for Grusharaburas:
if merge delayed for another 2 yrs. either you end up like us or you left the game.

You're talking as if MG and HG is the only thing there is. CG, remember?

Now that's funny. Eddyimanuel was one of the very few really active CG players of .com. What's about you and your tactical leveling? Oh, yeah, only HG and MG for months. And TG after the "valentine update".
TG has never been competitive since the Valentine update.
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_warlog.php?id=4344302&page=13

Seriously, do you expect to be the only one to avoid HG, "mutant"? You seem to think that hardcore lvling is your strong point, but surely modesty isn't.
I'm just happy about merge. Now we can play on a living server and we got a chance of getting better fct/exp ratio especially in TG.
There is not a big fsp gap
What?? Have you spent 5 minutes looking at characters on .com vs .ru that have the same xp?

I'm just happy about merge. Now we can play on a living server and we got a chance of getting better fct/exp ratio especially in TG.

Thats a good attitude!
I understand that now the gap is too big , but later on when passing from FL11 to FL12 takes 8000fsp, a "little" 2000fsp gap will be almost negligible.
Of course a little fsp gift from admins will be very wellcome :)


it will be negligible only in dueling same faction (same fsp lvl and same clvl if high enough)

if dueling different faction or playing group battle:

those 2k 'extra' fsp might (and probably will) mean extra few fsp lvls on side fatction - so about 10-20% resistance against you for example (with same base faction bonuses)

2k FSP is lv 8 in one side faction or lv 7 in 2 side factions, lv 6 in 4 side factions, etc

so ok - we might have same faction lvl 14 or whatever, but .ru player will have my faction lv 6 as def (so -18% dmg recieved) - still no logic in here
Now that's funny. Eddyimanuel was one of the very few really active CG players of .com. What's about you and your tactical leveling?

Eddy, while he engaged in more CG battles than I do, also made more mistakes like losing too many times in mercenary quests. Ignore me, though, because I'm just emulating Lord Tutanhamon and preaching what I see in his logs. My message still stands: we (not I) could exceed .ru average easily if we engaged in more CG back in .com. Are you reading something else out of my statements?

TG has never been competitive since the Valentine update.
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_warlog.php?id=4344302&page=13


I already answered this ages ago:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1919147&page=0#29827025
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1919121&page=0#29826971

You seem to think that hardcore lvling is your strong point, but surely modesty isn't.

Everyone else is doing the self pity script. Maybe if we throw in a little arrogance into the drama the admins will listen? XD
Just stop complaining, .com was pretty much dead, you couldnt play cg cause there wasnt enough people to play with, thiefs were really expensive, no events except for thoose survival tournaments...
My point is, now, here we can have a chance to have more fun, cause theres always a lot more things to do, and correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the reason why you keep playing or first started playing?
Just dont care about the less fsp, cause even with demon, necro or dwarf you still can win, and yes i know what im saying, already won lots of them.
we can fight & fight all day, but no one can hide the fact. its very clear to all that there is FSP gap or i should say FSL gap.

would be better if Arctic or someone from Admins team answer and close this topic.

time to move forward :)
Saw a lot lvl 13 with FS lvl 10

No matter how hard i try, i will never catch up them..It discouraged me to play this game even more
hi everybody! my first msg in GGF, don't u plz bury me here 4 it =)

of course u spent much time to develop your chars but what's da fun?
old kind fun of tactical carnage?
I got over 9k fsp (FL15), less than 800 points to get 11 Knight ability.
And that's really far from uberWunderWaffe.
My good friend has much lower numbers, but one of the most stable CG winner (80-90%). We lost only once during 15FL together.

My point is enough calculating, get fun! I've seen many foresters with huge fsp number but unable to solve simple tactical task. Is it your aim?


You kinda proof my point, I have spend a good amount of time trying to be competitive, then you say you just "play" and you got a lot better ratio than me.

It is not about how you chose to play, it is about what is fair or not. We got consistently worse ratio than .ru players. I call that unfair, that is playing with two different set of rules. You might think that is ok (But of course you also had the easy way where you could just "play and still get good ratio)


There is not a big fsp gap and with time everyone in this world becomes equal
Take some time looking at the ratios, or ask somebody who played a lot on both servers which server had the best opportunities.


Some .com player may have better ratio, but in the end this is about what is fair. Nobody can give a reason to why .com players should play on a higher difficulty. Give us equal terms or at least close the gap a little bit. I think most .ru char would also want this, no honour in fighting people who has a handicap given by circumstances
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