| Author | [Mirror] Lords&Heroes. FSP gap. |
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Player banned by moderator Elrond until 2013-02-07 12:34:48 // Posting with additional account in main forums. |
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It is really disgusting to see the .com players moaning, lamenting etc. about fsp. I was witness that there was no CG in com. What prevented you from that at .com?
Now you are lamenting about bad fsp ratio. Of course, you compare with the best (monsters, terminators, mutants) - only 1% of players.
But why don't you compare youselves with 90% of the ru-server? They have the same fsp or even less.
Don't moan and start accumulating fsp (if you think it's your only problem). You have many easy hunts and MGs, besides thiefs and rangers make good fsp.
You have advantage with ru-players who have already made use of easy hunt and MG.
Ohh please master, show me how its fair to do a minor pvp against a dwarf with 4600 FSP when I only have 2300 FSP.
Enlighten me why this is my ''own'' fault and why I should have won against that Dwarf.(Even though I ''damaged'' about 5% of his army).
He must be dying of laughter how easy this was for him!
Minor tournament, 5 tries, 5 EPIC loses with HUGE fsp gapes from about 500 - 2800 fsp difference(CL 12). |
| you're playing bad and where is your faction recistances? if ru player got 2x more fsp than you its not about server difference anymore its your own playing.. |
you're playing bad and where is your faction recistances? if ru player got 2x more fsp than you its not about server difference anymore its your own playing..
Sure thing, I thought I wanted to grab a loose with 4k exp and 2 FSP that was my goal.I don't even want to try to win.
I couln't even get 1000 xp and 0.5 fsp :).
faction recistances
Do you even know what you're talking about? |
| Do you even know what you're talking about you cleary dont since you have played only with 2 factions |
Do you even know what you're talking about you cleary dont since you have played only with 2 factions
I wasn't talking about other factions, was I?
So you're advice is go get yourself some recistance?
I keep it with my main faction knight and alt faction dark elf.
This has nothing to do with what I just said about that fight.
Please don't answer anymore, would love reactions of other players =). |
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Grusharaburas:
The new mechanic assures that Bob will get better FSP/XP ratio in all events and battles from now on. Conclusion: we have the mechanics on our side to close the FSP gap but they don't have any help to close the HG and MG gap.
I think you can argue for even the worst idea, even support destroy the earth idea.(not necessarily convince anyone or say points which are atleast 1% true/logical :)
The new mechanism can help bob (ensures after hundreds of battles) to get (avg fsp)/1.6 while Alice will atleast have 1.6*(avg fsp) .So intotal Alice will have 1.6*1.6 = 2.56 times fsp of bob.
Formula link-https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1933652&page=0#30030430.
The mechanism is such that to cover extreme cases, not even 10 miles close to making it fair for .com players.
If average FSP of lvl 13 is 4500 then bob would not get any fsp benefit and alice would not get any fsp penality.
You speak with 99% bias and 1% logic.
Currently the fsp farmers in .com are averager players in .ru . About cg, here there was 2K online in morning and NOT EVEN 1 Minor battle/CG took place in level 11. So how can you say we didn't utilise CG ??? |
Reposting #170 after moderation:
"(...)Building up resistance against other faction is not a must on low levels, it just weakens your main faction. The only advantage of building up the resistance which I see is saved gold compared to building resistance on later levels where resistance is more required.(...)" |
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Arctic made an error there, I think (or maybe it was updated in a way I did not know). I prefer this:
He just made a typo in wordings not formula. What I wrote is correct from both the post.
Are you saying I do not want free FSP? XD
Nope the earlier posts saying why free fsp shouldn't be given especially the one. Hopefully you are convinced why your earlier post is illogical...
I am defending that .com players need some sort of support from admins to gain back fsp. Not necessarily free fsp. |
He just made a typo in wordings not formula. What I wrote is correct from both the post.
Then where did you get this: "So intotal Alice will have 1.6*1.6 = 2.56 times fsp of bob."? If I interpret the mechanic correctly, then it means that a battle that would give 1000 XP for Bob would give (1000 + bonus) XP for Alice. If both battles give the same FSP then wouldn't that mean that Bob would have better FSP/XP/battle ratio from now on than Alice?
Nope the earlier posts saying why free fsp shouldn't be given especially the one. Hopefully you are convinced why your earlier post is illogical.
I was arguing that we do not deserve help based solely on the fact that .ru had more events. Like I said, .com had its own munchkin strategies that would at least make us above average in .ru when it comes to stats. I was arguing for us to come up with a better reason to present to the admins. |
Whatever, A great lose !
I win my first two try ( May be I was lucky or my opponents are not good )
Lucky to face 1 .com player without fsp gap
Then later on, 5 tries lose (no chance as u guys said already)
Tough, I was lv 9 and My arts are not the best arts for tournament
Skill Portion, present arts and all other arts maximal is too expensive
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I want to try 20 but 10 lose is threatening me. |
@173 haha lord tut is reason for no cg at his level
no player can beat him so only he get benefit with good fsp ratio the losers dont get
his potential opponents (like me) maybe too dumb for win him but will not be fool also |
then it means that a battle that would give 1000 XP for Bob would give (1000 + bonus) XP for Alice. If both battles give the same FSP then wouldn't that mean that Bob would have better FSP/XP/battle ratio from now on than Alice?
Only when Alice has atleast 1.6 times more fsp than bob.Real my postabout it again. The difference needs to be very huge for effect to take place.And the effect would wither off when alice has only 1.6 times normal fsp. And bob wld stop receiving benifit when his fsp is 1.6times less than avergae. So in total Alice can have 2.56 times fsp of bob EVEN IN THE LONG RUN. NOTE_Alice and Bob can fsp farm not just bob.
Like I said, .com had its own munchkin strategies that would at least make us above average in .ru when it comes to stats
.ru players also can use the same strategies and they might have better strategies than us since it has been their world(we r the new ones).And if we have better strategy then we ought to have better fsp than them. Else it would be like-
expert strategist should have lesser troops so that when he battles a poor strategist,both have equal chance to win.
Lol!
I was arguing that we do not deserve help based solely on the fact that .ru had more events.
Then what kind of reason do you need!They had battles which gave better fsp/exp. They didn't have to do CG since there were events which gave much better fsp/exp even with min AP. |
In all the forum discussions I joined in I always choose the side that I can defend with logic. Whether you or anyone understands my logic or not and think I'm just trolling or pulling your legs is not my problem. But before you get too personal with me, let me just remind you that you are trying to convince the admins to give you free FSP here. I'm just trying to let you know why the admins may not give you that. If you hear me speak on this matter, it is out of my sincere doubts about this whole enterprise that you have here. A "devil's advocate", if you will.
Your logic is twisted. If a worker has received to little salary for a long time and then gets compensated later and receive the money it is not "free". We have played the same battles and received worse ratio how is that fair?
And I think it is kind of beyond your knowledge to explain to us why admins will not give us the fsp. We can have our speculations and you can have yours but in the end admins is the only one who knows for sure.
The situation is not so bad, really. I honestly think I can hit 1.6 times the average FSP maybe at CL 14 or 15.
For us people who like to play the game on a competitive level the situation is very bad, I don't know you but it seems you have a very casual char. so ofc you are not bothered because it don't hit you playing style. But just because your way of playing is not that negative effected it don't mean it is fair, far from it. Look at the bigger picture and not just your situation. |
To ALL .com lords/ladies,
Please I beg you all to take part in the 22nd Minor tournie and play at your best.
We need proof that our best .com players will get RAVAGED (or at best, have a mediocre outcome) when fighting against the .ru legions.
We need to test our theories, observations and assumptions that competitive PVPers are disadvantaged due to horrible exp/fsp ratio. And the only way to prove this hypothesis is to throw ourselves against them in a 'fair' duel cg. |
